Posted on 03/23/2002 3:18:00 PM PST by knighthawk
I am speaking under correction. Please do correct me if I don't have my facts right:
According to The Bible there is no country such as Israel, only Palestine. The Jew and the Arab, both stemming from Abraham is in fact half brothers. So why can they not live in harmony in a new country called Palestine?
Praise be to Allaah.
Your question may be answered by the following points:
There is no doubt that the Prophet of Allaah Ibraaheem (Abraham) was a pure monotheist, and he was not among the polytheists and disbelievers. Although the Jews are among the offspring of Ibraaheem (peace be upon him), they went against his way by associating partners in worship with Allaah and claiming that ‘Uzayr (Ezra) was a “son of God.” They said that God is miserly and that His hand is “tied up”, and they said, “He is poor and we are rich.” They also said that when God created the heavens and the earth in six days, He got tired, so He rested on the Sabbath day – exalted be Allaah far above all that they say about Him. They also likened the attributes of God to human attributes (anthropomorphism) and killed the Prophets, etc., etc.
Once this distinction and contrast is made clear, there can be no brotherhood between a monotheistic believer and a polytheistic disbeliever, as Allaah says in the Qur’aan (interpretation of the meaning): “Indeed there has been an excellent example for you in Ibraaheem and those with him, when they said to their people, ‘Verily, we are free from you and whatever you worship besides Allaah. We have rejected you, and there has started between us and you, hostility and hatred forever, - until you believe in Allaah Alone,’ – except the saying of Ibraaheem to his father: ‘Verily, I will ask for forgiveness (from Allaah) for you, but I have no power to do anything for you before Allaah.’ Our Lord! In You (Alone) we put our trust, and to You (Alone) we turn in repentance, and to You (Alone) is (our) final Return, - … Certinaly, there has been in them an excellent example for you to follow, - for those who look forward to (the Meeting with) Allaah – (for the reward from Him) and the Last Day. And whosoever turn away, then verily, Allaah is Rich (Free of all wants), Worthy of all Praise.” [al-Mumtahinah 60:4,6]
Once this separation and enmity is clear, it is unavoidable that there will be hostility and disavowal and the resulting struggle against the enemies of Allaah. So long as the laws and wisdom of Allaah dictate that there should the distinction between believers and disbelievers, there has to be this clearly-stated enmity. There can be no change to the laws of Allaah.
There cannot be harmony between Jews – who are usurpers and aggressors, who have oppressed and persecuted others, and who are known for their treachery and corruption throughout the world, historically and in the present age – and the purely monotheistic Muslim owners of the land, whose menfolk the Jews have killed, and imprisoned their sons, and destroyed their homes, and taken possession of their lands by force, and prevented them from earning a proper living, and carried out chemical and radiational experiments on their prisoners, and taken organs from them for transplant into Jewish patients… and all other kinds of persecutions and atrocities.
In addition to this, the Jews are people of treachery and betrayal; it is not possible to trust them at all. Their current conduct bears this out: is there any treaty or agreement signed by them that they have actually fulfilled? This is no big surprise for the Muslims, who know what Allaah has said in His Book about the Jews (interpretation of the meaning): “Is it not (the case) that every time they make a covenant, some party among them throws it aside? Nay! The truth is most of them believe not.” [al-Baqarah 2:100].
Moreover, if the Muslims agreed to live in peace with the Jews, who would be in charge? One of the basic principles of Islam is that Islam should prevail, not be prevailed over. One of the conditions for People of the Book (Jews and Christians) living with Muslims in a Muslim country is that they should live under certain conditions (shuroot ahl al-dhimmah) in return for the security and protection afforded them by the Muslims. One of the most important of these conditions is that they should not openly display their shirk and kufr (polytheistic disbelief) in the Muslim lands, whether by word or deed.
As the Muslims and Jews are enemies residing in opposing religious and doctrinal camps, it is not possible for them to be brought together unless one is made to submit to the other by force. Indeed, the Jews now are not allowing the Muslims to remain in their homes, even if there was no provocative action on the part of the Muslims; they are seizing the Muslims’ property by force, building their settlements on the Muslims’ lands and expelling the Muslims by any means. They have expelled millions to the neighbouring countries, which have accommodated them in the so-called Palestinian refugee camps.
Finally, although the Muslims nowadays are in a position of weakness and humiliation – because they have turned away from their religion – and are unable to fight the Jews, take back their stolen lands and impose the rule of Islamic sharee’ah in Palestine, this does not mean that this will always be the case until the end of the world. Things have to change, and one of the indications of this is the hadeeth of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), who informed us of some things that are to happen in the future. He was supported by Revelation from his Lord; he did not speak of his own whims and desires, but of that which was revealed to him. He said:
“You will fight the Jews and will prevail over them, so that a rock will say, ‘O Muslim! There is Jew behind me, kill him!’” (Reported by Muslim, 2921; al-Bukhaari, 2926).
According to a report narrated by Muslim from Abu Hurayrah, the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “The Hour [the Day of Judgement] will not begin until the Muslims fight the Jews and kill them. A Jew will hide behind a rock or a tree, and the rock or tree will say, ‘O Muslim, O slave of Allaah! There is a Jew behind me, come and kill him!’ – except for the gharqad (box thorn), for it is one of the trees of the Jews.” (Reported by Muslim, 2922).
The term Palestine was never used for this land in any way, shape, or form until Pompey and Julius Caesar in the 62-46 BC period needed a name for this new (narrower southern coastal) extension just being added to the Roman province of Syria. They called it (what we know as Israel and Lebanon) "Syria Palestensis"="Syria of the Philistines" to distinguish it from the large inland province based at Damascus.
Thus the last Philistine had died nearly a thousand years before the term "Palestine" came to be.
Meanwhile, the Jews continued to use the term "Pleshet"(also a deriv of term "Philist") to refer to the (alien, enemy) non-Jews living in their land, as distinguished from foreigners who might have asked nicely and received "stranger within the gates" (ie resident alien) status from the Jewish monarchies themselves...
The fate of Pleshet in the next few years is described in Joel, Zecharia, Ovadia, and in Isaiah 14:29-32, not a pretty picture. Reads just like today's news, doesn't it? Notice how Isaiah keeps saying "you WHOLE of pleshet, you ALL of the pleshti" etc to keep modern idiots from denying this refers to all so-called Palestinians, not the so-called Philistines now long defunct.
I think it was very nice of Yasser's thugs to call themselves by the name of uncivilized savages exterminated by the Jews, what is in a name, he was sealing his fate and theirs.
Obviously Judaism originated in the Middle East and has existed there for a long time and belongs there. If anything doesn't belong in the Middle East, it's Islam because it was there last.
Both Israel with its 4 million Christians and Egypt with its 20 million plus, were brutally conquered by Islamic devils in the 638-640 period. Rivers of Christian blood flowed, and the souls of the Martyrs of Christ, mostly women and children, ascended to heaven like vast golden clouds.
The difference being that our Bible does not tell us to do these things unlike the koran. What we have done in stupidity, arrogance and ingnorance in the past, we were not told to do by our God. Islam's god commands these things.
God used to work miracles to prove the heathen were wrong. He doesn't seem to do that any more.
My point is that you don't score any points for God by tearing down another religion
You provoke them into blind rage.
If you would study World history and not just Western history I think you would find this statement nowhere near true.
The bottom line.
Well I am not such a f**king moron as to publicly attack another person's religion if I can help it.
Sheesh. How do you feel when someone calls you a moron for believing whatever you do? The natural response is to get F**king mad.
One example does not make islam a religion of peace. When the whole body of their history and their holy book states differently.
It may come to something like that out of self defense. They are definitely out to get Jews and Christians. I don't deny that.
I just didn't think it was a good idea to trash their religion across the board and publicly.
Now, what about the kidnappings, revolutions, terrorism, piracy, slavery, and suicide bombings? And more importantly, where are the Bible verses encouraging Christians to wars and wife beating??
Take a look see at the koran and the Bible, then at the first 500 years of Christianity and Islam, and see if you still come up with some equivalency.
This is the reason for the reformation. When the common man was able to read the Bible for himself it led to great changes in Christianity.
There are things in the OT that people would not do today. No one would march around a town blowing trumpets. They would be arrested. You need a permit ;-).
God ordered killing in the OT. In one case it was to be every man, woman, child and their animals. They were not even to take spoils. I'm not pronouncing judgement on God. I am just calling to your attention that it is in the bible.
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