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Ask the imam: Why can t the Jews and Muslims live together in peace?
Islam Q&A ^

Posted on 03/23/2002 3:18:00 PM PST by knighthawk

I am speaking under correction. Please do correct me if I don't have my facts right:

According to The Bible there is no country such as Israel, only Palestine. The Jew and the Arab, both stemming from Abraham is in fact half brothers. So why can they not live in harmony in a new country called Palestine?

Praise be to Allaah.

Your question may be answered by the following points:

There is no doubt that the Prophet of Allaah Ibraaheem (Abraham) was a pure monotheist, and he was not among the polytheists and disbelievers. Although the Jews are among the offspring of Ibraaheem (peace be upon him), they went against his way by associating partners in worship with Allaah and claiming that ‘Uzayr (Ezra) was a “son of God.” They said that God is miserly and that His hand is “tied up”, and they said, “He is poor and we are rich.” They also said that when God created the heavens and the earth in six days, He got tired, so He rested on the Sabbath day – exalted be Allaah far above all that they say about Him. They also likened the attributes of God to human attributes (anthropomorphism) and killed the Prophets, etc., etc.

Once this distinction and contrast is made clear, there can be no brotherhood between a monotheistic believer and a polytheistic disbeliever, as Allaah says in the Qur’aan (interpretation of the meaning): “Indeed there has been an excellent example for you in Ibraaheem and those with him, when they said to their people, ‘Verily, we are free from you and whatever you worship besides Allaah. We have rejected you, and there has started between us and you, hostility and hatred forever, - until you believe in Allaah Alone,’ – except the saying of Ibraaheem to his father: ‘Verily, I will ask for forgiveness (from Allaah) for you, but I have no power to do anything for you before Allaah.’ Our Lord! In You (Alone) we put our trust, and to You (Alone) we turn in repentance, and to You (Alone) is (our) final Return, - … Certinaly, there has been in them an excellent example for you to follow, - for those who look forward to (the Meeting with) Allaah – (for the reward from Him) and the Last Day. And whosoever turn away, then verily, Allaah is Rich (Free of all wants), Worthy of all Praise.” [al-Mumtahinah 60:4,6]

Once this separation and enmity is clear, it is unavoidable that there will be hostility and disavowal and the resulting struggle against the enemies of Allaah. So long as the laws and wisdom of Allaah dictate that there should the distinction between believers and disbelievers, there has to be this clearly-stated enmity. There can be no change to the laws of Allaah.

There cannot be harmony between Jews – who are usurpers and aggressors, who have oppressed and persecuted others, and who are known for their treachery and corruption throughout the world, historically and in the present age – and the purely monotheistic Muslim owners of the land, whose menfolk the Jews have killed, and imprisoned their sons, and destroyed their homes, and taken possession of their lands by force, and prevented them from earning a proper living, and carried out chemical and radiational experiments on their prisoners, and taken organs from them for transplant into Jewish patients… and all other kinds of persecutions and atrocities.

In addition to this, the Jews are people of treachery and betrayal; it is not possible to trust them at all. Their current conduct bears this out: is there any treaty or agreement signed by them that they have actually fulfilled? This is no big surprise for the Muslims, who know what Allaah has said in His Book about the Jews (interpretation of the meaning): “Is it not (the case) that every time they make a covenant, some party among them throws it aside? Nay! The truth is most of them believe not.” [al-Baqarah 2:100].

Moreover, if the Muslims agreed to live in peace with the Jews, who would be in charge? One of the basic principles of Islam is that Islam should prevail, not be prevailed over. One of the conditions for People of the Book (Jews and Christians) living with Muslims in a Muslim country is that they should live under certain conditions (shuroot ahl al-dhimmah) in return for the security and protection afforded them by the Muslims. One of the most important of these conditions is that they should not openly display their shirk and kufr (polytheistic disbelief) in the Muslim lands, whether by word or deed.

As the Muslims and Jews are enemies residing in opposing religious and doctrinal camps, it is not possible for them to be brought together unless one is made to submit to the other by force. Indeed, the Jews now are not allowing the Muslims to remain in their homes, even if there was no provocative action on the part of the Muslims; they are seizing the Muslims’ property by force, building their settlements on the Muslims’ lands and expelling the Muslims by any means. They have expelled millions to the neighbouring countries, which have accommodated them in the so-called Palestinian refugee camps.

Finally, although the Muslims nowadays are in a position of weakness and humiliation – because they have turned away from their religion – and are unable to fight the Jews, take back their stolen lands and impose the rule of Islamic sharee’ah in Palestine, this does not mean that this will always be the case until the end of the world. Things have to change, and one of the indications of this is the hadeeth of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), who informed us of some things that are to happen in the future. He was supported by Revelation from his Lord; he did not speak of his own whims and desires, but of that which was revealed to him. He said:

“You will fight the Jews and will prevail over them, so that a rock will say, ‘O Muslim! There is Jew behind me, kill him!’” (Reported by Muslim, 2921; al-Bukhaari, 2926).

According to a report narrated by Muslim from Abu Hurayrah, the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “The Hour [the Day of Judgement] will not begin until the Muslims fight the Jews and kill them. A Jew will hide behind a rock or a tree, and the rock or tree will say, ‘O Muslim, O slave of Allaah! There is a Jew behind me, come and kill him!’ – except for the gharqad (box thorn), for it is one of the trees of the Jews.” (Reported by Muslim, 2922).


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To: Optimist
I am an Anglo-Saxon purist. There is no question in my mind that I live better because the Jew has been given/earned the right to contribute to my society. The Jew has only achieved this in the USofA. Bring them here. Otherwise, the next Holocost will be the Atomization of Israel by Irag. Don't panic, what do I know?
41 posted on 03/23/2002 4:34:39 PM PST by Blake#1
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To: Aliska
"Just don't like to play "My God is better than your God", as that will only insult those who don't share our beliefs. "

What kind of god do you believe in if he's not worthy for you to stand up for him against false gods?

42 posted on 03/23/2002 4:35:04 PM PST by Joshua
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To: Publius6961
Doesn't that pretty much match the rise of Nazism and the holocaust?

Yes, it does. That was my point. As for the period between the 7th and 17th centuries, Europe was often an unfriendly place for Jews.

43 posted on 03/23/2002 4:35:07 PM PST by DallasMike
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To: knighthawk
"for the security and protection afforded them by the Muslims"

Protection from whom? Muslims are such wonderful people. If you pay off their shake down protection scheme by being subservient they won't blow up your house.

When will the world finally realize the plans that these Muslims have for them?

44 posted on 03/23/2002 4:41:10 PM PST by rebdov
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To: Blake#1
I am an Anglo-Saxon purist.

I just bet you are. Do you need the link for Stormfront or do you have it already?

45 posted on 03/23/2002 4:45:32 PM PST by Catspaw
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To: Captain Shady
I think you're talking about New film shows Turkish role in Holocaust rescue .
46 posted on 03/23/2002 4:47:34 PM PST by Scooby-Dooo
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To: Blake#1
You asked In reading history, is there any place on Earth (outside of the USofA) where the Jew has prospered and assimilated? . They have prospered virtually everywhere they were; this caused resentment against them. In the 20th century, they also assimilated. I.e. the German Jews had assimilated very successfully, were secular in most ways and part of Germany, so they thought, serving in WWI in the Kaiser's army, etc. Little did they suspect that they could NEVER be considered German by the majority, no matter how assimlated they were, how little they did to identify with Jewish culture, how much they waved the German flag.

So what you really seem to be asking is where have they not been resented for their success?

47 posted on 03/23/2002 4:51:46 PM PST by Inkie
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To: Publius6961
Yeah... Most of Europe. I personally met many professionals there who had been there for generations. Better get a fresh supply of tinfoil.

Well, since the Jews in most of Europe were running for their lives only a little over 50 years ago, I think it is fair to say that they have not been "prospering" continuously there for generations.

I don't think you have to wear tinfoil to recognize this.

48 posted on 03/23/2002 4:56:22 PM PST by Restorer
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To: Inkie
Captain Kirk , Mr. Spock ,and the Three Stooges are all Jewish . Cool ,ain't it?
49 posted on 03/23/2002 4:59:13 PM PST by Scooby-Dooo
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To: cardinal4
"It reads like Mein Kampf."

It should, "Mein Kampf" is the best seller over there right now, can't keep it in stock. There is not another doubt in my mind that Islam is the enemy of the intire world, but many will learn this too late.

50 posted on 03/23/2002 4:59:13 PM PST by Mom_Grandmother
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To: Captain Shady
Jews and Turks have had excellent relations since even before the New World was discovered by Chris Columbus. They have always been our most reliable friends. If you would like some information about the relations between Jews and Turks I would recommend this site: The Quincentennial Foundation
51 posted on 03/23/2002 5:01:34 PM PST by Turk2
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To: Inkie
You put it well!
52 posted on 03/23/2002 5:04:21 PM PST by Blake#1
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To: Catspaw
To disagree with Catspaw you become a Nazi.
53 posted on 03/23/2002 5:06:22 PM PST by Blake#1
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To: Pissed Off Janitor
There is Muslim agression in the Spice Islands also.
54 posted on 03/23/2002 5:08:52 PM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: Turk2
Thank you for posting the link to the Quincentennial web site. One ray of cheer in a sea of bad news.

I live in Germany, where there are millions of Turkish immigrants, some now third generation and/or with German citizenship.

I am immeasurably grateful for the help the Turks gave my people during the holocaust. A friend and colleague of mine here is Turkish, there is not one drop of anti-Semitism in his blood. His wife is a modern professional woman, their children are being brought up to be citizens of the 21st century, not the 7th.

55 posted on 03/23/2002 5:13:20 PM PST by tictoc
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To: Turk2
Thanks .That is a great website.
56 posted on 03/23/2002 5:13:43 PM PST by Captain Shady
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To: Catspaw
To disagree with Catspaw you become a Nazi.
57 posted on 03/23/2002 5:13:45 PM PST by Blake#1
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To: Catspaw
Why are you jumping on Blake so? What did he say to deserve this?
58 posted on 03/23/2002 5:15:50 PM PST by tictoc
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To: Blake#1
Do you need the link to the National Alliance, too?

I really don't have to do all your work, now do I, "Anglo-Saxon purist?

59 posted on 03/23/2002 5:16:40 PM PST by Catspaw
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To: metacognate
I believe it was 622 when he made his deal with the Jews of Medinah, and about seven years later (c629) he killed them all once they had stood down their arms, and sent their wives and children into slavery.
60 posted on 03/23/2002 5:20:03 PM PST by crystalk
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