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Hunt the Boeing! (9/11 Pentagon bombing urban legend/conspiracy theory debunked)
about.com ^ | 3/22/02 | David Emery

Posted on 03/22/2002 8:36:49 AM PST by ppaul

"Hunt the Boeing!" is a provocative display of smoke and mirrors, but there's little else to recommend the site. Its authors present a fraction of the available evidence in a highly selective, distorted, titillating way, proving absolutely nothing — except, perhaps, that there's always room for another conspiracy theory.

While making few explicit allegations, the authors argue, in effect, that based on photographic and physical evidence, the damage to the Pentagon on September 11, 2001 could not have been caused by a crashing jetliner, contrary to the official and overwhelmingly accepted explanation.

The argument is weak. For starters, it conveniently ignores much of the existing evidence, for example:

Eyewitness testimony of bystanders who saw and/or heard American Airlines Flight 77 approach and collide with the Pentagon

The recovery of both black boxes belonging to the Boeing 757 from the Pentagon wreckage

The recovery and identification of the remains in the crash site of all but one of the people known to be aboard Flight 77

Of course, the evasion of bedrock evidence is standard fare for conspiracy theorists. If pressed, they would doubtless claim that all the above must have been planted or manufactured. But they can't even prove such a claim plausible, let alone true beyond a reasonable doubt.

Eschewing the plain facts, they ask us to focus instead on misleadingly posed condundrums such as the following:

Question: "Can you explain how a Boeing 757-200, weighing nearly 100 tons and travelling at a minimum speed of 250 miles an hour only damaged the outside of the Pentagon?"

Answer: It didn't only damage the outside. Structural damage extended at least 150 feet inside, well into the third ("C") ring of the building.

Question: "Can you explain how a Boeing 14.9 yards high, 51.7 yards long, with a wingspan of 41.6 yards and a cockpit 3.8 yards high, could crash into just the ground floor of this building?"

Answer: It didn't just crash into the ground floor. According to official statements and news reports, it took out both the first and second floors on impact.

Question: "Can you find debris of a Boeing 757-200 in this photograph?"

Answer: No, but other photographs exist showing debris that likely came from the jetliner. Bear in mind, eyewitnesses say the Boeing 757 all but disintegrated when it struck the reinforced wall of the building. The assumption that aircraft fragments ought to be plainly visible in front of the Pentagon isn't necessarily justified. Still, one visitor to the crash site a few days after the attack, Representative Judy Biggert of Illinois, told reporters she did see remnants of an aircraft. "There was a seat from a plane," she said, "there was part of the tail and then there was a part of green metal, I could not tell what it was, a part of the outside of the plane." (Chicago Sun-Times, 16 Sep, 2001)

(For a more detailed consideration of these and other "Hunt the Boeing" puzzles, please read the excellent commentary by engineer Paul Boutin and astrophysicist Patrick Di Justo, Web-posted on May 14.)

You're no doubt wondering who's behind these flights of fancy and what exactly they're driving at. According to the French newspaper Le Monde, the culprit is Thierry Meyssan, well-known leftist radical and president of the Voltaire Network, a controversial site devoted to "the fight for freedom and secularity." His son, Raphaël Meyssan, is credited as the Webmaster of both the Voltaire Network and Utopian Asylum, which, uncoincidentally, hosts "Hunt the Boeing!"

What are they trying to prove? That the attacks of September 11 were perpetrated not by foreign terrorists, but by the U.S. government upon its own citizens — a conspiracy theory in the grand tradition.

To quote the late Carl Sagan, "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof." We're still waiting for the goods.

"Hunt the Boeing!" is a provocative display of smoke and mirrors, but there's little else to recommend the site. Its authors present a fraction of the available evidence in a highly selective, distorted, titillating way, proving absolutely nothing — except, perhaps, that there's always room for another conspiracy theory.

While making few explicit allegations, the authors argue, in effect, that based on photographic and physical evidence, the damage to the Pentagon on September 11, 2001 could not have been caused by a crashing jetliner, contrary to the official and overwhelmingly accepted explanation.

The argument is weak. For starters, it conveniently ignores much of the existing evidence, for example:

Eyewitness testimony of bystanders who saw and/or heard American Airlines Flight 77 approach and collide with the Pentagon

The recovery of both black boxes belonging to the Boeing 757 from the Pentagon wreckage

The recovery and identification of the remains in the crash site of all but one of the people known to be aboard Flight 77 Of course, the evasion of bedrock evidence is standard fare for conspiracy theorists. If pressed, they would doubtless claim that all the above must have been planted or manufactured. But they can't even prove such a claim plausible, let alone true beyond a reasonable doubt.

Eschewing the plain facts, they ask us to focus instead on misleadingly posed condundrums such as the following:

Question: "Can you explain how a Boeing 757-200, weighing nearly 100 tons and travelling at a minimum speed of 250 miles an hour only damaged the outside of the Pentagon?" Answer: It didn't only damage the outside. Structural damage extended at least 150 feet inside, well into the third ("C") ring of the building.

Question: "Can you explain how a Boeing 14.9 yards high, 51.7 yards long, with a wingspan of 41.6 yards and a cockpit 3.8 yards high, could crash into just the ground floor of this building?" Answer: It didn't just crash into the ground floor. According to official statements and news reports, it took out both the first and second floors on impact.

Question: "Can you find debris of a Boeing 757-200 in this photograph?" Answer: No, but other photographs exist showing debris that likely came from the jetliner. Bear in mind, eyewitnesses say the Boeing 757 all but disintegrated when it struck the reinforced wall of the building. The assumption that aircraft fragments ought to be plainly visible in front of the Pentagon isn't necessarily justified. Still, one visitor to the crash site a few days after the attack, Representative Judy Biggert of Illinois, told reporters she did see remnants of an aircraft. "There was a seat from a plane," she said, "there was part of the tail and then there was a part of green metal, I could not tell what it was, a part of the outside of the plane." (Chicago Sun-Times, 16 Sep, 2001)

(For a more detailed consideration of these and other "Hunt the Boeing" puzzles, please read the excellent commentary by engineer Paul Boutin and astrophysicist Patrick Di Justo, Web-posted on May 14.)

You're no doubt wondering who's behind these flights of fancy and what exactly they're driving at. According to the French newspaper Le Monde, the culprit is Thierry Meyssan, well-known leftist radical and president of the Voltaire Network, a controversial site devoted to "the fight for freedom and secularity." His son, Raphaël Meyssan, is credited as the Webmaster of both the Voltaire Network and Utopian Asylum, which, uncoincidentally, hosts "Hunt the Boeing!"

What are they trying to prove? That the attacks of September 11 were perpetrated not by foreign terrorists, but by the U.S. government upon its own citizens — a conspiracy theory in the grand tradition.

To quote the late Carl Sagan, "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof." We're still waiting for the goods.

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TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 911; aircraft; airseclist; boeing; bombing; crash; enduringfreedom; flight77; hijack; hoax; holywar; islam; jihad; muslim; myths; pentagon; septemebr11; terrorism; tinfoilhat; urbanlegends; war; wtcattacks
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To: demdesur
I think they're talking about you.
21 posted on 03/22/2002 12:58:33 PM PST by TomB
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To: SenatorCaptainAmerica
OK, I'll ask.
If it wasn't the plane that left both flight recorders, bodies, parts of the plane inluding engines, and the serial numbers. What was it? A shot from a grassy knoll?
22 posted on 03/22/2002 1:11:07 PM PST by Shooter 2.5
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To: viligantcitizen
Secondly, just because the max airspeed of a 757 is around 250

Max airspeed on a 757 is a whole lot faster than 250. Even if that were true, they measure it in knots, so in miles-per-hour that would be nearly 290.

23 posted on 03/22/2002 1:33:38 PM PST by Aeronaut
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To: Shooter 2.5
If it wasn't the plane that left both flight recorders, bodies, parts of the plane inluding engines, and the serial numbers. What was it?

They were transported there from the actual crash site which the gubbamint has not let us know about yet?
(adjusting beanie)

24 posted on 03/22/2002 5:51:06 PM PST by ppaul
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To: TomB
So, who is worse? The whack-jobs who put out these theories, or me for coming back every day hoping that one of them has posted?
25 posted on 03/22/2002 8:21:24 PM PST by Fry
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To: ppaul
That website is hilarious. I noticed I haven't received an answer to my question.
26 posted on 03/23/2002 5:47:31 AM PST by Shooter 2.5
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To: Fry
So, who is worse? The whack-jobs who put out these theories, or me for coming back every day hoping that one of them has posted?

LOL!
We're sick, aren't we?!!

27 posted on 03/23/2002 5:55:12 AM PST by ppaul
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To: ppaul
This is the first time I heard this partucular tinfoil hat conspiracy theory. Oh well, it's probably better to put the rumor to rest BEFORE it becomes common knowlege.
28 posted on 03/23/2002 6:03:26 AM PST by cake_crumb
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To: cake_crumb
Actually, this theory was expounded all over the world, and "made the news" big time after a French news article. Then, NewsMax started reporting it. Well, then it snowballed.
29 posted on 03/23/2002 6:11:29 AM PST by ppaul
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To: cake_crumb
...that is, this is the first time I heard about the "bombing" part of it. Tried to edit and make myself more clear. Failed miserably.
30 posted on 03/23/2002 6:15:56 AM PST by cake_crumb
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To: ppaul
Thanks...as much as I keep up on the news, I STILL managed to miss THIS particular twist to the "The government did it" stories. Weird
31 posted on 03/23/2002 6:24:08 AM PST by cake_crumb
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To: Fry
So, who is worse? The whack-jobs who put out these theories, or me for coming back every day hoping that one of them has posted?

And I suppose you slow down to look at traffic accidents too? ;-)

I always look forward to embarassing the tinfoil hat wearers around here.

Hey, it beats kicking the dog.

32 posted on 03/23/2002 7:36:10 AM PST by TomB
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To: ppaul
I READ THE REVIEWS ON THE PLANE CRASHING INTO THE PENTAGON AND IT SEEMS LIKE IT COULD OR COULD NOT BE TRUE, HOWEVER I HAVE ONE QUESTION. IF THE PLANE WHICH IS MADE UP OF STEEL AND IRON AND COPPER AND ALL SORTS OF METAL ALL WERE DESTROYED, THEN HOW COULD THEY HAVE FOUND BODY PARTS OF VICTIMS WHICH ARE COMPOSSED OF SKIN AND BONES.
IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. WHAT PROCESS OF IDENTIFYING THESE BODY PARTS COULD BE DONE WITH ALL THAT HEAT.
THAT INTENSE HEAT WHICH MADE STEEL MELT AND REINFORCED CONCRET TURN TO POWDER AND THEY SAY THAT HUMAN REMAINS WERE FOUMD, I WONDER...DOES ANYONE OR HAS ANYONE SEEN ANY OF THE VICTEMS FAMILES FROM THAT PLANE CRASH?
33 posted on 10/05/2002 4:37:10 AM PDT by Jay961
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