Posted on 03/21/2002 5:23:36 AM PST by MeekOneGOP
That's the whole idea of excommunication. It is to "shake up" the one who has already excommunicated himself from the body of Christ in and through his behavior. One can repent of his sin and be recieved back into the body. Bishop Reginald Cawcutt (sp?) of South Africa is a good example of a bishop preaching and living heresy. For his actions, statements and lifestyle, (which are totally contradictory to the gospel), he should be one of the first to go. I remember viewing a site called "St. Sebastian's Angels", of which he took part. It was blatant homosexual porn for priests".
I am so bummed over this. The good in the church will suffer dearly for this.
They also haven't faced the REAL problem.
Homosexuality in the priesthood. The last five years has been an eyeopener for me. The church needs to clean house of active homosexuals.
The media has made this out to be a much more widespread problem than it is. Don't get me wrong, if this leads to better screening of seminary candidates and more oversight by the Bishops of the Dioceses it will be a good thing. And the Bishops have to get rid of the more liberal members of Vocations Boards who have been systematically trying to get rid of the more 'orthodox' candidates in favor of those who fit their (the libs) idea of a 'good priest'; one who will be loosey goosey with Church teachings in order to change the Church from within. If that happens, it will be the best thing to happen for the Church in a long time!
Sometimes the healing process is painful, but we know that God is in charge, and if we are faithful, things will come out better after the hurt.
I loved Ann Coulter's column mentioning that the RATE of priest abuse (total numbers of priest compared to victims) is about the same as abuse among the faculty at Yale. But we don't hear the media screaming for 'changes' at Yale, do we?
Homosexuality is, according to the Church's moral teaching "intrinsically disordered".
Homosexuality is a mental/emotional defect that cannot be tolerated in an ordinand.
A close friend of mine just left seminary because of the rampant homosexual activity that is going on there. When he told me the intimacies, I was shocked and disgusted. This might well be the first place to begin. The issue is critical in the "Orders". I was told by another friend who was eventually ordained as a diocesan priest, that it is the "exception" in many of the "orders" to be straight.
Any opportunity to attack Catholicism, huh?
Your attack on all priests based on the misdeeds of a few is offensive, just like referring to Catholics as "mackeral snappers" as you did on another thread.
What an *sshole...
Ditto, except the good are already suffering greatly over this and have been for some time. We just didn't know the magnitude of evil within the Church until now.
Other scandals which have and do cost the Church losses in contributions from loyal Catholics:
A Walk Down Memory Lane: Can Jesus Get into Georgetown?
The Case for Apostasy: Fr. McBrien's "Why I Shall Not Seek a Mandate"
Joaquin Navaro-Valls (sp?) said something very interesting recently, that I read in "Our Sunday Visitor". He said this could be grounds to possibly annul the ordination. I don't know what this really means theologically, but you know the Vatican is looking into something.
That's an understatement! But it is becoming more apparent. And the domino effect is about to happen. Bishop Reginald Cawcutt of South Africa, an openly active gay, said that if Ratzinger puts the hammer down, he will begin an exposition that will rock the church.
The reason why a marriage can be annulled is because the ministers of the sacrament of marriage are not the priest (who merely stands as the Church's witness) but the two baptized Christians who contract the marriage by their vows.
If one of them never truly intended to enter into a Christian marriage, then there never was a marriage and the sacrament never took place.
In the case of ordination, the minister is the bishop and the ordinand is merely a recipient of the sacrament, not a minister. What the bishop accomplishes in the sacrament is ex opere operato, indelible, and cannot be undone
If the ordinand is not a valid candidate (i.e. mentally disfigured by perversion, in this case) then he is guilty of fraud and the Church is justified in removing the benefits of the sacrament from him, including any rights, dignities and duties accruing to the priesthood, without appeal.
There's no disinfectant like sunlight and fresh air. If all of Cawcutt's compatriots are exposed, their church-wrecking plans will be destroyed.
Faculty members at Yale don't have the trust of Catholic youth, nor are they entrusted with changing bread and wine into the Body and Blood of Christ.
The helping professions are all subject to being abused by predators, but, once discovered, moving them into a new position as some bishops have done is inexcusable.
I knew there was a "magnitude of evil" in the Church at least twenty years ago, but this curious allusion to "an exposition that will rock the Church" may be revealing. Ah...oh yes...ahem...WHO do you think is behind this most ominous and banal threat? I smell a familiar odor here...Time to fumigate, please.
Amen! When we place our faith and trust in men, buildings, and organizations, they will always fail and disappoint us. Jesus never will.
Hat-Trick
the RATE of priest abuse (total numbers of priest compared to victims) is about the same as abuse among the faculty at Yale. But we don't hear the media screaming for 'changes' at Yale, do we?.
Perfectly and most logically stated! Thank you!
The Church has a VERY set and established Canon Law. It must be accepted as a whole, not in parcel. There are no pro-choice Catholics or (practicing)Gay Catholics. If this doesnt meet to ones liking, go find a Church that more accurately reflects your views. Do so knowing that youve placed yourself above the teachings of The Church too and that youll probably have to try to splain this on Judgment Day. Do not try to change The Church to Reflect your perversions. Catholicism is not a democracy.
Owl_Eagle
Guns Before Butter.
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