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Violence in the Bible and the Kuran
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Posted on 03/18/2002 8:07:25 AM PST by smith288
Violence in the Bible and the Qur'an
A Christian Perspective
After the events of September 11th, the issue of violence and religion has once again come into intense discussions and debate. As soon as Christians and others of good will condemn the Islamic justification and foundation for resorting to violence in the name of Godjustifications found both in the Qur'an and the life of prophet Muhammadwe are quickly told that the Bible (especially the Old Testament scriptures) and Christian history are also filled with violence and that we should not single out Islam or the Qur'an in this regard.
For example, Fareed Zakaria, in his report in Newsweek, entitled "Why they hate us: The roots of Islamic rageand what we can do about it" writes, "The historian Paul Johnson has argued that Islam is intrinsically an intolerant and violent religion. Other scholars have disagreed, pointing out that Islam condemns the slaughter of innocents and prohibits suicide. Nothing will be solved by searching for true Islam or quoting the Qur'an. The Qur'an is a vast, vague book, filled with poetry and contradictions (much like the Bible). You can find in it condemnations of war and incitements to struggle, beautiful expressions of tolerance and stern pictures against unbelievers. Quotations from it usually tell us more about the person who selected the passages than about Islam. Every religion is compatible with the best and the worst of humankind. Through its long history, Christianity has supported inquisitions and anti-Semitism, but also human rights and social welfare."
How can Christians respond to such counter-charges? Are Christians and their scriptures no different than Muslim terrorists and others who use violence in the name of God to destroy their enemies? What can we say in light of our own dark Church history and also graphic passages found in portions of the Old Testament that do not seem to cast any better light on the roots and actions of our own faith tradition? The following are some of my reflections on these questions. Time does not allow me to develop each point fully, but I hope that they can be of some help and bring some clarification to these issues.
- As Christians we must be very emphatic that Christians have and continue to do many shameful things in the name of Christ, BUT the issue is this: Christians who use violence in the name of God to destroy their enemies have no justification for their actions from Jesus Christ, his life and teachings as found in the New Testament. Whereas, Muslims who are engaged in violence and destruction of anyone who opposes Islam, have ample justification for their actions from the Qur'an and the life and sayings of prophet Muhammad. It is beyond the scope of this paper to quote verses and passages from the Qur'an, the Hadith and biographies of prophet Muhammad (the reader can refer to other articles on this web site, e.g. in the sections Muhammad and his enemies or Islam & Terrorism), but suffice it to say that it is beyond doubt that the prophet of Islam did encourage the killing and intimidation of his enemies, not just in self defense as it is commonly reported by Muslims, but in the promotion of the cause of God and the spread of Islam. Needless to say, the actions of the prophet were in direct contradiction to the teachings and actions of Jesus Christ and his disciples. So the point is not that Christians have never resorted to violence and other horrible atrocities. They have indeed committed many horrible acts, but when they have done this, they have betrayed the very person that they claim to follow. But when Muslims commit such acts, they can in fact claim that they are following the example of their prophet and thus fulfilling the will of God and promoting His cause. That, certainly, is a big difference!
- When we turn our attention to the Old Testamet and look at passages that are found in the book of Joshua regarding the extermination of the Canaanites living in the land, we can still notice a dramatic difference in those passages and the events in the early history of Islam. The primary theme in those accounts is the issue of God's holiness. Even hundreds of years before the invasion of Canaan, God had told Abraham that the sins of the people living in the land had not reached its limit, but when the inhabitants had defiled the land to its limit, the land was going to "throw them up." In fact, God later warned the nation of Israel to be careful in not repeating the sins of the previous people, otherwise the land was going to throw them up too. So we see that God is using Israel as an instrument of His justice to purge the land of its sinfulness and later in history God used other nations like the Assyrians and the Babylonians as His instruments to cleanse the land by destroying the people of Israel for their sinfulness.
However, when one reads the early accounts of prophet Muhammad's raids and wars, not only one sees no mention of the theme of divine holiness and its opposition to sin, but the primary motivations that one constantly encounters are the looting of the enemies and the obtaining of booty and the spoils of war or the relief and pleasures of Paradise or conquering the enemies and spreading the rule of the prophet. I am not just repeating an old stereotypical charge against Islam. I have just finished reading the most ancient Muslim biography of prophet Muhammad, written by Ibn Ishaq in the second century of the Islamic era (translated by A. Guillaume and published by Oxford University Press in 1955). I truly encourage all Muslims and non-Muslims to read this book to see for themselves the violence in the actions of prophet Muhammad and his early followers.
- Another important point that we need to keep in mind is the fact that the divine command for the destruction of the few cities of Canaan, was for a specific people, a specific time and place and a specific purpose. Nowhere in the later Old Testament period do we see God commanding the nation of Israel to go and attack other pagan nations, either as self-defense or as a way to promote faith in the true God of heaven and earth. However, in the Qur'an, we encounter general commands to kill and destroy the enemies of Islam that are applicable for all times and places and people groups. It is beyond dispute that from the earliest times, right after the death of the prophet, Muslim splinter groups began fighting, killing and assassinating even each other, in the name of God. The history of Islam, down to the present day is filled with the appeals of various Muslims to ever-applicable Qur'anic passages to destroy and kill their enemies.
- I would like to conclude this brief article by using a popular Islamic analogy. Muslims generally believe that since Islam is the final great monotheistic religion, it is superior in every respect to Judaism and Christianity. Living in the Middle East and growing up in a Muslim country, we were always told that Judaism was like elementary school, Christianity was like high school and Islam is like university. Each religion was from God, but each one became progressively higher and better. Now the question that we must ask is this, how can Islam claim to have a superior ethics to the New Testament, and yet resort back to the use and justification of violence, elements that were supposedly part of the early Jewish tradition? It seems that Islam not only has not improved on the teachings of Jesus and the New Testament in regard to the use of force, but that in fact Islam has gone back many steps in this regard.
I hope that the above comments have been helpful in clarifying some of the issues that we are facing these days regarding the use of violence in the Qur'an and the Bible. As Christians, we must not forget that the lens through which we must look at everything in life and even the Bible is the cross of Jesus Christ. Ultimately, it is the cross that defines for us who God is, what is He like and the means by which He is redeeming the world.
TOPICS: Culture/Society; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: bible; christianity; clashofcivilizatio; islam; kuran; violence
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posted on
03/18/2002 8:07:25 AM PST
by
smith288
To: smith288
Great post...thanks!
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posted on
03/18/2002 8:11:38 AM PST
by
pgkdan
To: smith288
When it comes to these radical Muslims, it is kill or be killed; their Quran says so.
To: pgkdan
Notice the bold above. People like OWK and demidog always use crusades and Salem witch trials as proof Christians are also violent but the bold above details why that is flawed thinking. They are doing it against Jesus, where as muslims do it FOR their Mohammed as it is directed by their kuran.
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posted on
03/18/2002 8:33:35 AM PST
by
smith288
To: smith288
I've noticed, even way before 9-11, that Muslims seem to be PREEMPTING this war of ideologies thing. It's a fact that the easiest way to hide your guilt is to accuse your accuser LOUDER and LONGER than he can accuse you...thus putting him on the defensive. It's hard to make a decent offence if you're constantly on the defense.
It's also a fact that Muslim extremists murder Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, Judaeists - ANYONE not of their faith. And it's a fact that they use their ideology as an excuse for horrible crimes.
One's faith is not an excuse for hideous murder. Saying that "well, YOUR religion has been used as an excuse for murder TOO" is not a defense either. It's an OFFensive move, meant to throw the opponent off balance. And it works.
Christians haven't been running around throwing grenades into Mosques full of people. Mulsim extremists HAVE been running around grenading worshippers in Christian churches.
To: smith288
Good point, Christ himself was something of a wuss! "Turn the other cheek" and all that. Whereas Mohammed was an a$hKicker of monumental proportions.
I believe those facts are not subject to interpretation.
I mean heck, even King David was a a$hkicker as well, Christ on the otherhand, well, lets just say that in the corporeal world, I dont know if I would have wanted him to back me up in a fight.
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posted on
03/18/2002 9:00:56 AM PST
by
Paradox
To: *Clash of Civilizatio
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Christians haven't been running around throwing grenades into Mosques full of people. Mulsim extremists HAVE been running around grenading worshippers in Christian churches.
agreed...but remember this..theyll always play the "victim" hand saying that israel and the U.S is to blame all together..we all know this much..i looked at the map of the west bank (even flew over it on flightsim 98) and i discovered something there about a mile and a half or so from jerusalem and ..think of it like this if the pali's get control of jerusalem..then the christian holy land will be turned upside down..and youll see possibly million's give up or lose faith..and then the muslims will all laugh in our faces ..i got that info together from my own opinion as well as this quote from arafat "we will never stop until the palestinian flag is raised over jerusalem" guys if you ask me i think we should send troops to israel..cause there close...too close from almost destroying moral in the christian world
Fregards
Dan
To: smith288
OWK and demidog are at least consistent. Consistently screwed up and wrong about almost anything they comment upon, that is.
To: justshutupandtakeit
They're cliche-recyclers, apparently incapable of free thought or genuine dialogue. That's why they're among the half-dozen or less names on my NEVER-respond list.
Dan
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posted on
03/18/2002 9:18:20 AM PST
by
BibChr
To: justshutupandtakeit
im glad you finished the sentence. haha
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posted on
03/18/2002 9:19:19 AM PST
by
smith288
To: deathscythex
"agreed...but remember this..theyll always play the "victim" hand saying that israel and the U.S is to blame all together"Right. Accuse your accuser louder and longer than he can accuse you, thus putting your accuser on the defensive.
To: BibChr
I just can't help myself. When I think they have reached a new height in lunacy they go and top themselves.
To: smith288
If Moslems see Jesus as a prophet, why don't they follow some of his teachings? When it applies to the stoning of adulterers that currently goes on in some Arab countries for example?
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To: Thorn11cav
Peter, was with Jesus for years. Does anyone really believe that in all that time Jesus never knew that... "Peter was packing a sword". Well, the topic of self-defense and the bible is well hashed. Nowhere is mindless pacifism suggested. Defense of one's self, family, and nation is recognized throught the bible.
The difference between Islam and Judaism and Christianity is that Islam authorizes free agency in violence. Judaism and Christianity strictly forbid violence except for defense, criminal penalty, and as commanded by God on specific occasions (which there is no record of in 2500 years).
Comment #17 Removed by Moderator
To: Thorn11cav
Where has the misonceptions? I know we are pretty well known for being peaceful. But wimps? I dont agree.
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posted on
03/18/2002 1:37:18 PM PST
by
smith288
Comment #19 Removed by Moderator
To: Thorn11cav
Those people you know that hide in their cave need to study the Bible a little more. Confrontation is what Jesus told his disciples to expect. Its what we will see in the end times and those people who hide like cowards need to understand that. Im always up for a challenge...
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posted on
03/18/2002 8:18:38 PM PST
by
smith288
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