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Parents drug use, sex lives steal focus: (Van Dam's reveal intimate details, more questions arise!)
Court TV ^ | March 16, 2002 | Court TV

Posted on 03/16/2002 12:09:40 PM PST by FresnoDA

Parents drug use, sex lives steal focus

 
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Brenda van Dam cries as she testifies Thursday about her daughter's disappearance.

SAN DIEGO (Court TV) — The parents of Danielle van Dam took the stand Thursday at a preliminary hearing for their daughter's accused killer and tearfully recalled the circumstances of the 7-year-old's abduction from her bedroom.

Asked what she found when she went to wake her daughter on the morning of Feb. 2, a red-eyed Brenda van Dam replied, "an empty bed."

But the girl's disappearance and murder quickly took a back seat to questions about her parents' drug use, drinking habits and sex life.

Brenda and Damon van Dam acknowledged smoking marijuana and drinking alcohol the night their daughter vanished from her bedroom. A lawyer for murder suspect David Westerfield also repeatedly quizzed the pair about rumors they were "swingers," sexually involved with others.

 

Danielle's father, Damon van Dam

Judge H. Ronald Domnitz precluded many of the questions as irrelevant, but Brenda van Dam admitted a female friend tried to grope her breasts in a bar that night. And her husband said he had a relationship with the same woman and had kissed and massaged her in his bed the night his daughter went missing.

Westerfield, a 50-year-old engineer who lived two doors down from the van Dams, is accused of kidnapping the second-grader from her bedroom the night of Feb. 1 and killing her. Her body, too decomposed to determine a cause of death, was discovered in a trash-strewn lot Feb. 27. Spots of Danielle's blood were found in Westerfield's recreational vehicle and on his jacket, according to police. They said they also recovered child pornography from his home and suspect a sexual motive.

At the close of the three-day hearing Thursday afternoon, Domnitz ruled there was sufficient evidence to try Westerfield for kidnapping and murder. He will be arraigned March 28. Prosecutors have not decided whether they will seek the death penalty.

Brenda van Dam, who like her husband wore a picture of her daughter on her lapel, testified that almost all of her contact with Westerfield came in the week preceding her daughter's abduction. On Jan. 25, she said, she saw him at Dad's, a neighborhood bar where she had gone with two female friends. He bought her a cranberry and vodka cocktail, but she said she could not remember what they talked about and still did not know his name.

 

Suspect David Westerfield

Several days later, she said, she, her son Dylan and Danielle went to Westerfield's home while selling Girl Scout cookies. Westerfield formally introduced himself and bought four boxes of cookies. While the children ran around his pool, she and Westerfield talked, she testified.

He wanted to get to know her female friends, she said.

"He said to tell them I had a rich neighbor to introduce them to," she testified.

She said she told Westerfield that she and her friends might return to Dad's the next Friday if she could get a baby sitter. Her husband, she recalled telling him, would be out of town.

As she left his house, Westerfield took her phone number and told her he "had adult parties and also barbecues" and planned to invite her and her husband to them, she testified.

She said she found the comment so strange that she called her husband at work when she got home.

"It struck me as odd that he mentioned adult parties. I didn't know what he meant by that," she said. On cross-examination, she denied Feldman's charge that she was tickled because "there were others in your neighborhood allegedly engaged in the swinging lifestyle."

The van Dam's testified that on Feb. 1, Brenda and her two female friends planned to go to Dad's bar and Damon, his trip postponed, to stay home with the three children. Damon van Dam said he drank two beers with dinner and a third later.

When the friends, identified as Denise Kamal and Barbara Easton, arrived, the adults went into the garage, locked the door and shared half a marijuana joint. The boys played video games while Danielle sat at the kitchen table writing in her journal.

Brenda van Dam said she had smoked marijuana about 30 times before, and both testified they had the garage lock specially set to keep the children from happening upon them. Damon van Dam said he had one or two hits and Brenda said she had "three or four puffs."

"Did it get you high?" asked defense lawyer Steven Feldman.

"I did," she said.

The women left for the bar, and Damon van Dam said he played video games with his sons and then put all three children to bed at about 10 p.m. Danielle, he said, was already in her four-poster bed when he entered the room to tuck her in.

"I gave her a kiss goodnight," he said. He left her door and those of her brothers open about eight inches, he said.

After watching television and walking the dog, he went to bed, he said. He testified that the dog, Leila, was raised with dogs who had their larynx removed and almost never barked.

Brenda van Dam said that when she arrived at the bar, Westerfield was there with two friends and offered to buy her and her friends drinks.

"He said, Ladies don't buy their own drinks and threw some money on the counter," she testified.

She said that over the course of the evening, she had three cranberry and vodka cocktails and a shot of tequila. She said she did not know how many Westerfield bought because her friends just kept passing them to her. She also said she went to the parking lot with Easton, Kamal and two male friends and smoked the rest of the joint.

"How clearheaded were you," Dusek asked.

"I think I was very clearheaded," she said.

At one point, she and her friends played pool with Westerfield's friends. She said she noticed him watching them.

She said she danced with her male friends and a male stranger and then with Kamal and Easton. Under cross-examination, she admitted that Easton and Kamal were dancing provocatively with each other, and that she told investigators Easton tried to grab her breasts. Brenda van Dam denied ever dancing with Westerfield, but before the hearing ended, the defense listed several bystanders who said they had seen the pair on the dance floor together.

At 1:50 a.m., the bar closed and she drove Kamal and Easton back to her house. The two male friends also joined them.

Damon van Dam said he had just returned to bed from taking the dog out again when his wife and friends arrived home. Brenda van Dam said as she walked into the house, the security alarm indicated a door in the garage was ajar. The alarm was not hooked up to a security company and did not sound continuously when a door or window opened. She said she closed it and then she and Easton went to the master bedroom.

Easton, he said, got on the bed.

"I put my arm around her and kissed her and rubbed her back," said Damon van Dam, adding that he could not remember whether his wife was in the room at the time, but she later left.

On cross-examination, Feldman asked if he and Easton had a relationship with her and he said "Yes."

Eventually, he and Easton joined the two men and Brenda van Dam in the living room. After eating pizza, the guests left and the van Dams went to bed about 2:30 without looking in on their children.

Damon van Dam said that sometime during the night, he woke to use the restroom and noticed a flashing light on the alarm panel. He went downstairs and found the sliding back door slightly ajar. He closed it, thinking one of his guests had opened it, and returned to bed.

At 9 the next morning, Brenda found Danielle's bed empty.

"We started looking everywhere," she said.

"What was your state of mind?" Dusek asked.

"Frantic," she said.



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To: Lanza
I saw the fabulous Rick Roberts on MSNBC today, and he says he knows even worse things about the VDs, but that it wouldn't help anyone to tell it now

hmmm..He was right about the other information...

61 posted on 03/16/2002 4:25:01 PM PST by Merovingian
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To: RnMomof7
You are correct. I forgot to add that after having sex with strangers in front of your wife, sex with your spouse is the ' best sex you ever had'. Isn't it also better for the children because mom and dad are happy?

I get all my perversions confused.

62 posted on 03/16/2002 4:26:21 PM PST by Hillary's Lovely Legs
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To: Merovingian

SCOOP!!!  BREAKING NEWS!!!

Vile, disgusting, unbelievable revelations...........

"Brenda Van Dam voted for William Jefferson Blythe Clinton!!!


A NOTE OF THANKS

For almost a month now, I have continually asked you to do whatever you could to help find Danielle Van Dam. As you know, her body was found on Wednesday, February 26, 2002.

I would like to thank all of you who donated your time, energy and resources to search for Danielle, and the dedicated staff and volunteers coordinating the search at the Laura Recovery Center

High praise goes to the San Diego Police Department for their unrelenting investigation of Danielle’s disappearance and her abductor. While their thoroughness and professionalism do not surprise me, they have proven again, in the most meaningful manner, their commitment to San Diegans and law enforcement.

To the Van Dam family, I send my sincerest condolences. Although I have expressed concerns about aspects of this tragedy, losing a child brings a pain and anguish no parent should ever suffer.

Sincerely,

Rick Roberts

63 posted on 03/16/2002 4:28:39 PM PST by FresnoDA
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To: FresnoDA
ok, fres, the only wild speculation I have not yet seen on this wild forum is satanic ritualism...
64 posted on 03/16/2002 4:32:36 PM PST by Merovingian
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To: Merovingian
Stand by, satanic theory, coming up....:0)
65 posted on 03/16/2002 4:33:18 PM PST by FresnoDA
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To: FresnoDA
 

Our StoresSpeaking of the VD's......this shopping trip previously rumored is now confirmed by KOGO and KFI-Los Angeles, arranged by the VD - PR firm.  This is really amazing.

A limo picks up Brenda, and a bunch of her Gal Pals....so did that include Denise and Barb?? Who else?  Just some of the neighbor girls?

The PR firm convinces Nordstrom's to "open-early" so that Brenda can go on a shopping spree......THAT IS YUCKY....

If, "as the PR firm is saying" she needed a dress for the funeral, then have someone grab a size 10-12, black, and that is that....but a shopping spree?

Again, the article is haunting....the Van Dam’s do appear to have fostered, at the very minimum, a home environment where the least suitable people would often be around their most precious assets

66 posted on 03/16/2002 4:34:39 PM PST by FresnoDA
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To: FresnoDA
BuhWAHHHHHHH!! That beard did look DAMONIC! Why'd he shave it?
67 posted on 03/16/2002 4:34:41 PM PST by Merovingian
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To: FresnoDA
Okay, that almost ranks as bad as the swinging (voting for Der Schlickmeister).
68 posted on 03/16/2002 4:34:51 PM PST by Lanza
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To: Merovingian

Major ritual "sabbat" dates on the Occult/Witchcraft/Satanism calendar.

This date sticks out....February 2, 2002    Danielle Van Dam, Age 7

 

DATE: October 31 NAME: *SAMHAIN; ALL HALLOWS' EVE; HALLOWEEN; NOVEMBER EVE WITCHCRAFT: Rituals to contact the dead SATANISTS: Sexual and blood rituals with animal or humans & animal or human sacrifice

DATE: December 21/22 NAME: YULE; WINTER SOLSTICE; WITCHCRAFT: Rituals celebrating the rebirth of the sun SATANISTS: Sexual rituals, animal or human

DATE: February 2 NAME: IMBOLIC; IMBOK; CANDLEMAS; OIMELE; LADY DAY; BRIGID DAY WITCHCRAFT: Sexual rituals; Celtic triple goddess Brigid honored. SATANISM: Sexual rituals, human

DATE: MARCH 20/21 NAME: Spring Equinox; Vernal Equinox WITCHCRAFT: This is a fertility sabbat. Pagans celebrate the coming of fertility of the earth; Sexual rituals celebrated by various groups. SATANISM: Orgies held; Animal or human sacrifices

DATE: April 30 NAME: *BELTANE; MAY EVE; ROODMAS DAY; WALPURGISNACHT WITCHCRAFT: Rituals focusing on the love between male & female. In fact, many pagan handcastings (weddings) take place at this sabbat. Rituals celebrating the fertility of the Mother Goddess (Earth) are carried out. SATANISTS: Blood rituals; Animal or human sacrifices

DATE: JUNE 21 NAME: SUMMER SOLSTICE; MIDSUMMER'S EVE; WITCHES: Bonfire rituals SATANISTS: Orgies; Animal or human sacrifices

DATE: AUGUST 1 NAME: LUGNASADH (Named for Celtic Solar god Lugh);LAMMAS DAY WITCHES: Harvest rituals SATANISTS: Animal or Human sacrifice

DATE: SEPTEMBER 21 to 23 (Date varies annually) NAME: AUTUMN EQUINOX WITCHES: Some covens have rituals reenacting Pluto or Hades (grim god of death) forcefully carrying of Persephone (young goddess of life) to the underworld. SATANISTS: Sexual orgies and or animal and human sacrifice.


69 posted on 03/16/2002 4:36:11 PM PST by FresnoDA
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To: Lanza
Thought this would be a good time to send you all a picture of myself!! 
Thought the flame suit would be necessaary, since old.
Merovingian
made me do it!! LOL  FresnoDA!

 

Other murders in the San Diego area....
DATES ARE EERILY CONNECTED
Click on linked Dates for reference! Something to consider?


 Mary Lou Olson, 10, headed for a drugstore in National City on Jan. 3, 1960. She was found dead nine days later, 13 miles south of Tijuana.

When she didn't return to her home on E Avenue, her father called police. Intense searching ended when a farmer found her body in a gully. She had been raped and suffocated. Her killer was never found.

 Patricia Lee Kuzara, 7, of Putney Road in Poway, was walking home from her baby-sitter's house the evening of Sept. 28, 1974. Her body was found in a field off Midland Road the next day. The day after that, the 40-inch-long piece of iron used to bludgeon her was found near Community Road. Her killer was never found.

 Leticia Hernandez, 7, disappeared while playing in front of her home on Bush Street in Oceanside on Dec. 16, 1989.

A search expanded to dozens of officers and 200 volunteers. The FBI checked hundreds of reported sightings of Leticia all the way to Florida.

It ended March 9, 1991, when a ranch caretaker found Leticia's skull off county Highway S16, two miles south of the Riverside County line. She had been dead about a year. Suspicion centered on a man who lived near the Hernandez family, but no arrest was made after a grand jury investigation.

 Crystal Anzaldi, 14 months old, vanished from her parents' bedroom at their 30th Street apartment in Golden Hill the morning of Dec. 8, 1990. An extensive search yielded no clues.

Seven years later, Crystal turned up alive in Puerto Rico, being raised by Nilza Gierbolini. She claimed that a man who had shared the Anzaldi apartment gave her the toddler, but he was never charged with kidnapping. Crystal was returned to her then-divorced father.

 In June 1991, a man lured a 4-year-old girl by offering her a dollar bill in the front yard of her Escondido home. She was found later, alone and crying, by a couple who gave police a description of a car nearby. Police arrested Garry Burr, then 35, who pleaded guilty to kidnapping and sexually molesting the girl.

 Laura Arroyo, 9, of Monterey Pine Drive in Chula Vista ran to answer the door on the night of June 19, 1991. Her parents later saw the open door. They checked with neighbors, then called police. The next day, two women found Laura's body three miles from her home at a Bay Boulevard industrial park. She had been beaten and stabbed. Her killer has never been found.

 Rasheeyda Wilson, 9, told her mother she was going to play outside their downtown San Diego residence at the Yale Hotel on July 15, 1991. Six hours later, her mother called police to report the child missing. Officers scoured the area, passed out fliers and broadcast her name from a helicopter. Rasheeyda has never been found.

 Amanda Gaeke, 9, never came home after riding her bike near her home on Landis Street in North Park on Oct. 3, 1991. Police searching door to door were not suspicious when David Allan Webb, 16, said he knew Amanda.

Her body was found 11 days later in a canyon five blocks from her home.

In May 1996, police acting on a tip arrested Webb, then 21. He had lured Amanda into his home, drugged her, raped her and hid her under his bed while he went to school. After 36 hours he strangled her, then dumped her body. He was sentenced to life in prison.

Satanic Ritual Days


70 posted on 03/16/2002 4:40:01 PM PST by FresnoDA
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To: FresnoDA
I'm thinking StarWars Episode 2?
71 posted on 03/16/2002 4:42:19 PM PST by Lanza
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To: FresnoDA
hmmm. You are very fast. I was just trying to imagine what horrors Rick could possibly know that we have not already heard!
72 posted on 03/16/2002 4:42:48 PM PST by Merovingian
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To: Lanza
Have you all read the latest from Pierce....I believe he and Rick Roberts have spoken...and do a name search of Damon....you will be freaked out by the meaning.......
"Let's play lie detector!"
Posted by jameson on Mar-15-02 at 09:23 AM (EST)MCF


03-15-2002

POSTED: 03-15-02 by Douglas H. Pierce- Millennium Children's Fund
mail@mcfworld.org

INVITATION came after I asked parents if I could bring something of child's
in front of press pictures, toys, whatever to make her ALIVE (poor choice of
words).

Brenda: "Douglas how about something she just wrote to her dad"

Hidden in (Danielle's) nightstand.

The "Daddy forgive me note" was handed to Douglas H Pierce. I read the torn 2 sided note,
(That I NOW believe was from Journal/DIARY) AND WAS SHOCKED COULD NOT LOOK
AT (Damon's) FACE.

I stuttered and said is there something else?
Brenda: "Douglas would you like to see her room"

I could only say ok.... Douglas H Pierce followed Brenda and walked 18' (Damon) stayed behind in
MASTER bedroom.

Brenda's sister came up stairwell that is closest to the children's rooms', she was
behind me Brenda steps over dog gate in front of child's room and she enters room
like nothing at all NO HUMAN EMOTION. Douglas H Pierce stands in front of gate looking
in room.  Brenda: "it's OK Douglas come on in the POLICE are done in here just
don't touch anything".

Douglas H Pierce steps over gate enters at least 6-7' inside,
Brenda is moving things around on shelf and picks up a SILVER JOURNAL
Brenda asks Douglas H Pierce" how about her Journal and the frog she slept with?" Douglas H Pierce said
....I start backing out of room I HAVE A HORRIBLE DARK DARK DARK feeling
come over me. I became emotional, stuttered and stumbling over dog gate
going to stair case. Now all three of us (not Damon) are standing at top of
stairs Brenda, Douglas H Pierce, Brenda's sister, Brenda starts to open Journal/Diary.

(NO FURTHER COMMENT ON READINGS).

Damon comes from MASTER bedroom and slides past us and goes down stairwell.


NOW ARE THEY READY TO MEET ME AGAIN? LET'S PLAY THE GAME "LIE DETECTOR",
who will FAIL again. Not Douglas H Pierce.


If Douglas H Pierce is wrong about the bedroom than why did a witness say "I know
something bad happened in her room".

Hmmm ... Please tell us



The original comments by Douglas Pierce were made after he visited the VD household, and spent over 8 hours inside of the VD house.

If you are not  up to speed on this, listen to the John and Ken show interview with the VD's......very strange.

van Dam neighborhood 02/15/02 16:13
Excerpts from the live broadcast on the street where Danielle van Dam was abducted 2 weeks earlier. John is accosted by members of the Psychic Friends Network, David Westerfield leads undercover cops to fried chicken, then slams the door in John and Ken’s face. Neither Mr. Westerfield nor Mr. Kobylt were arrested over the course of the broadcast.
Brenda and Damon van Dam 02/07/02 11:05
Brenda and Damon van Dam join the John & Ken show via telephone to discuss their efforts to find their missing 7-year-old daughter.

 

73 posted on 03/16/2002 4:46:24 PM PST by FresnoDA
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To: FresnoDA
Most of these "men " are interested in perverted sex and they twist the little woman's arm to participate...that way the can have their Hetrosexual/homosexual play date with the little womans permission....but I wonder if their wives have to get numb like Brenda does with alcohol and drugs before playing the whore role?

POST OF THE MONTH!!! BUMP!!

I accept the honor ...but it is not with pleasure ..it is painful to see women with so little self esteem ..and men so willing to sell their wives..very sad..

74 posted on 03/16/2002 4:49:59 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: FresnoDA
I am totally creeping out. I am afraid to look up what Damon means, but Pierce's recollections have scared the bejeebies out of me. Actually, I know the goatee thing is very in for guys (especially 30-40ish), but both DW and Damon have that Lucifer look with it. That poor little girl.
75 posted on 03/16/2002 4:52:14 PM PST by Lanza
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To: FresnoDA
Was that an accurate transcript of Pierce ????????
76 posted on 03/16/2002 4:53:05 PM PST by Merovingian
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To: Lanza
I am having the exact same reaction to Pierce's words..that is why I am asking if those were his words...
77 posted on 03/16/2002 4:59:23 PM PST by Merovingian
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To: FresnoDA
Swinging can be an emotionally charged lifestyle. First of all, we "are" talking about having sex with someone other than your own spouse. That by itself can be a daunting prospect, especially for couples who haven’t talked a lot about their sexual fantasies. Second, every event you attend is a test of your people skills: you must make a conscious effort to behave diplomatically, and that’s not always easy when you’re used to dealing with your spouse who knows and understands your moods and various tones of voice. Finally, finding couples whom you are attracted to and who are attracted to you is a lot like dating, you try to make a good impression, you send what you hope are appropriate signals, you ask the big question, and you might get rejected. Here are some "basic rules" to remember.

Pathetic.

"And the two became one" or was that 100??

These men raise the risk of cervical cancer for the "wives they love" (Cervical cancer CAN be related to the number of sex partners and yhe paticular normal bacteria that is exchanged during sex).

They also raise the risk of their wives getting an inflamatory pelvic disease..besides Aids..and other STD's

And the two became one..And a womans "desire will be for her husband"

This is very sick ,very sick,very very sick...

78 posted on 03/16/2002 5:02:55 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: FresnoDA
test....was there a post #79?
79 posted on 03/16/2002 5:20:06 PM PST by Merovingian
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To: Drango
Please Freepmail me a picture and an address I'll be in contact with you :-)

------->SMACK!

Shame on you!

;-)

80 posted on 03/16/2002 6:53:06 PM PST by Mrs.Liberty
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