Posted on 03/15/2002 6:22:07 AM PST by Mulder
Edited on 09/03/2002 4:50:06 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
Two senior agents from the FBI's Baltimore office told a private detective yesterday that the mistaken shooting of an unarmed Pasadena man likely would be ruled a "clean shoot," and discouraged him from looking into the case further, the investigator said in an interview. Dudley F.B. "Butch" Hodgson, a former FBI agent who has been retained by the shooting victim's lawyers, said he was told by one of the agents: "There's no middle ground in this thing. You're either with us or against us."
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If this agent screwed up and is not man enough to step up and take his medicine for such then he in no way qualifies to enforce laws upon others.............
Stay Safe !
Actually I am not thrilled that by retiring from the civil service they will continue to collect tax dollars. However, it has yet to be shown that they will be removed from their jobs. The Braga needs to face criminal charges. If he was not the one who decided to forego Felony stop procedures and protocols then the agent who made that decision should also face trial. In short heads should roll administratively at the minimum.
The bigger problem is the us versus them attitude where the them is anyone not a part of the FBI. When I was discussing rule .308 I was discussing the logical consequence of their actions and attitude. These logical consequences could be prevented by prompt and severe mangerial action within the FBI and/or by action from the criminal justice system. however, if this attitude and the actions that allegedly flowed from this attitude are not abated and promptly then the consequences will happen as surely as the tide rises and falls.
In this particular case there is a litany of misbehavior by FBI agents. It starts with questionable behavior in even stopping the car they stopped. It continues with failure to use felony stop procedures. It continues with allegations that the agents denied prompt medical assistance to the injured man. It is exacerbated by the celebration (agin alleged not admitted yet) after the shoot. Now we are seeing other agents attempting to intimidate an independant investigator who is himself a former FBI agent. What is next a midnight raid and arrest of the yound woman who was also in the car? Maybe she will just disappear that would be a very helpful coincidence wouldn't it. Maybe those who critique the FBI procedures in this case need some friendly persuasion from some of the other agents of this office?
They have started down this road and what I pointed out is where this road leads. The consequences I described are but some of the many. No, I was not calling for any physical harm to anyone. I was merely pointing out what we may expect if things are not changed significantly and soon. The next move is up to the FBI I am hoping they will not just sweep the board off the table.
Stay well - Stay saf e- Stay armed - Yorktown
Perhaps this opens up some other lines of inquiry for an investigation? I hesitated before making this comment as I have no direct evidence of anything other than what has been openly stated in the press. Maybe the proximity of movers and shakers will have an effect on the investigation that remains to be seen. So far one must say it is not yet evident.
My prediction stands. This ain't goin' the way of most FBI JBT shoots. Somebody's gonna get permanently sidelined, if not prosecuted to the fullest extent.Clearly from what has been made public so far at least several agents need to find other employment and there is a need for a criminal prosecution.
Stay well - stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown
The air-tight "explanation" of this affair is in place. That was done before they released the perps name.
We may all rest assured that the "justification" for the shooting will entail the victim and or his friend as having said or done something, whereby the shooter feared for his life. All of this CYA is set in concrete and ALL of the perps present will spout the same line.
If it was a "good shooting" as they call it, there would be no reason to try to intimidate anyone. They would simply put the facts out for everyone to see.
That they are threatening investigators makes me think they know they are in trouble.
Total reorganization or development of an entire new unit and the eventual disbanding of the FiBi's is all that will work IMHO. But then this is America and sheeple will elect sadly more bubbafucco's and any good unit can only really police itself so much...........
A real pisser indeed, Stay Safe !
A big bump for "No Controlling Legal Authority".
After all who could question the ethics & integrity of the head of the FBI for Maryland, Lynne A. Hunt,
FBI Baltimore Office, Lynne A. Hunt, SAC
FBI Calverton field office, Jim Ellis
FBI Annapolis field office, Dave Midura SAC
Sounds like the FBI is running out of field offices in Maryland to make comments about their justification for shooting an innocent man in the face with an assualt rifle.
I've had dealings with all 3 of these field offices, it is the standard FBI M.O.
The FBI attorney I dealt with at Calverton has transfered to Ohio.
I wonder which rock in D.C. Mueller is hiding under.
So it's the FBI against half the American people is that it agent Hodgson? It'd be more than half if they ever actually knew how you all murdered this kid and danced around his innocent bleeding body. You phucking scum! You traitor! You and those like you in the FBI are nothing but gubmint goons. Jack booted thugs. You are the dogs of Animal Farm and may God damn you to eternal hell. (Unless you repent of course. Fat chance.)
One noteworthy point is that the PI was not intimidated. He's naming names - FBI agent names - and to the press no less.
I think this is the same FBI agent, "Butch" that was in our Moto Guzzi Club - used to ride with him.
Must suck to defend the indefensible.
It needs to be repewated that the kid is not dead. He's recovering at home and will "require reconstructive surgeries" to rebuild what's left of his cheek, jaw, nasal passages, and sinus cavity. In a nutshell, he's maimed for life.
Were I the father of this boy, I'd make it my life's mission to make SPECIAL AGENT CHRISTOPHER BRAGA'S life at least as miserable as my son's.
We will hear nothing from Mueller, Ashcroft or Bush. The coverup will be ironclad. The perp shooter will walk, just like Horiuchi and the others.
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