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The death of AA is going to cause a LOT of LAWSUITS... look for SOME to go after at LEAST JP MORGAN and CITGROUP at least!!!!
1 posted on 03/13/2002 2:28:03 PM PST by Roger_W_Isom
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To: Roger_W_Isom
it's a shame for many people employed there ... but apparently many AA partners have no problem lying about bankrupt corporations all over the world ... ripping off good people with their money invested in 401k's ... goodbye AA ...
2 posted on 03/13/2002 2:30:38 PM PST by Bobby777
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To: Roger_W_Isom
Don't know about you, but I figured AA would be pushing up daisies when Enron hit the fan. And they deserve what they get.
3 posted on 03/13/2002 2:31:17 PM PST by Endeavor
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To: Roger_W_Isom
DeLoite could be the only savior.
4 posted on 03/13/2002 2:32:41 PM PST by KC Burke
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To: Roger_W_Isom
But I thought that it was all Bush's fault for Enron's troubles, not poor accounting.

If AA goes belly up (who really thought anyone would "merge" or acquire such damaged goods) that makes headlines that could otherwise be used to slam Bush.

Poor dems.

9 posted on 03/13/2002 2:35:34 PM PST by freedomlover
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To: Roger_W_Isom
The death of AA is going to cause a LOT of LAWSUITS

Among other things.....

Raise your hand if you think the "Recession" is over...

Raise your hand if you think the market/economy hasnt bottomed yet.....(Raising my hand)

12 posted on 03/13/2002 2:38:08 PM PST by antaresequity
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The biggest problem isn't just buyers' concerns about the worth of future business. It is the following by AP:
WASHINGTON (AP) - The Justice Department (news - web sites) and the Securities and Exchange Commission (news - web sites) are working on separate objectives, but their dealings with former Enron auditor Arthur Andersen will affect each other.

Adio clip: Daschle: Corporate Fraud Should Be Punished (AP)

"There's always going to be some tension between the goals" of the two agencies, David Yellen, dean of Hofstra University Law School, said Wednesday. "In the end, they have to coordinate."

Justice Department prosecutors have been negotiating with Andersen representatives over the past week to 10 days and repeatedly have threatened the big accounting firm with indictment for destroying documents in the Enron case, according to people familiar with the negotiations.

One possible outcome would be for Andersen to plead guilty to obstruction of justice for the shredding of Enron-related documents at Andersen's Houston office last fall. Yet that could bar Andersen from performing audits and approving financial reports that companies file with the SEC, the core of its business — unless Andersen were granted a waiver.

If the SEC agreed to a waiver, it could come with conditions, such as Andersen splitting its auditing and consulting services to eliminate any conflict of interest, as advised by its new oversight committee led by ex-Federal Reserve (news - web sites) Chairman Paul Volcker.

Andersen's legal problems cost it a potential merger partner on Wednesday, as rival Ernst & Young said it had decided to scrap the idea of combining with Andersen.

Andersen recently has been in talks with Ernst & Young and Deloitte Touche Tohmatsu, another Big Five accounting firm, to sell all or part of its operations. Matthew Batters, a spokesman for Deloitte, said Wednesday the talks with Andersen were continuing.

Any potential buyer would want to know how much Andersen might have to pay to resolve its case.

The SEC wants Andersen to survive as a viable concern and hopes to recover hundreds of millions of dollars for defrauded Enron investors from the accounting firm.

The SEC apparently has taken a time-out in its dealings with Andersen while the Justice Department proceeds with its criminal case, legal sources said, speaking on condition of anonymity.

SEC spokesmen declined comment.

Justice spokesmen also declined comment, but it appeared no formal announcement of a resolution of the criminal case would be made before Thursday.

"This dance goes on quite often between Justice and the SEC," said Donald Langevoort, who teaches securities law at Georgetown University. "I don't see anything insuperable here."

Ultimately, he and Yellen said, the two agencies will work together on a legal resolution.

The SEC, unlike the Justice Department, has only civil powers and cannot put wrongdoers in jail. The market watchdog agency often works with Justice prosecutors on big financial-fraud cases, bringing a civil lawsuit simultaneously with Justice's criminal indictment. The SEC also can impose fines on companies and individuals.

High-profile examples include the Wall Street insider-trading scandals of the 1980s and early 1990s. Famed speculator Ivan Boesky, for example, spent two years in prison and paid a $100 million fine. Interestingly, Boesky's attorney was Harvey Pitt, now chairman of the SEC.

Energy trader Enron entered the biggest corporate bankruptcy in U.S. history on Dec. 2, toppled by a complex web of partnerships — improperly buttressed by Enron stock — that were used to hide more than $1 billion in debt from investors and the SEC.

Its financial reports, which overstated profits by nearly $600 million since 1997, were approved by the Andersen auditors. Some top Enron executives have said they believed the company's accounting was proper because Andersen had blessed it.

Now what we have here is a media frenzy, coupled with a blame game and as the Justice Dept tries to have a fall guy and battles the SEC who wants a deep pocket. Government administered business is no better than inept/grasping business.
14 posted on 03/13/2002 2:39:37 PM PST by KC Burke
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"reporing that ERNEST YOUNG "

That's Ernst & Young.

16 posted on 03/13/2002 2:41:13 PM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts
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To: Roger_W_Isom
I have two words for Arthur Anderson. Good riddance!
18 posted on 03/13/2002 2:42:26 PM PST by DoughtyOne
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To: Roger_W_Isom
I lay this at the feet of the Democrats in Congress and their acolytes in the media.

AA may have engaged in practices that wrongfully overlooked a conflict of interest, e.g., consulting and auditing for the same firm, and it may have tweaked accounting rules, or even destroyed evidence, a clearly illegal act for which the individuals involved deserve punishment if found guilty, but those failures need not have taken down the entire corporation and thrown a whole bunch of people out of work. For that to happen, attack dog journalists acting at the behest of the Democratic Party had to hype the whole thing way out of proportion in an attempt to smear the White House. What's a few thousand people out of work when Daschle needs a few lame sound bites for the Six O'Clock News?

Pathetic.

24 posted on 03/13/2002 2:47:11 PM PST by beckett
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I like the idea of a corporate death penalty. It will encourage the others.
25 posted on 03/13/2002 2:47:58 PM PST by Thud
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To: Roger_W_Isom
The talented middle level people whom probably did the real work will start their own firms, or join others. I see no airline "bailout" by the taxpayers in the pipes. But ya never know...
28 posted on 03/13/2002 2:50:54 PM PST by Shermy
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Maybe simply the asking price is too high?
31 posted on 03/13/2002 2:51:23 PM PST by VA Advogado
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Good! I'm serious, I hope AA goes down in flames. May their employees suffer. I hate that firm.

A certain thugette at that firm mistreated and abused a 72 year old woman two years ago - and I will despise that firm so long as I live. Yes, I told the mangy little female canine what I thought of her behavior - publicly, in front of three partners - and reduced her to tears. It wasn't nearly enough.

Darkness take them. May their every hope and dream be blighted, may every affection be returned with toad cold indifference, and may whosoever they trust betray them. Further, may every person and thing they care about be taken from them, and that in such a way that the loss is the least of the pain. Now and forever. Unto eternity.

Yes, I really feal that way. Yes, I mean it.

32 posted on 03/13/2002 2:52:08 PM PST by neutrino
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Why Citigroup?
36 posted on 03/13/2002 2:55:14 PM PST by PRND21
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Why Citigroup?
38 posted on 03/13/2002 2:57:16 PM PST by PRND21
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Why Citigroup?
40 posted on 03/13/2002 2:58:42 PM PST by PRND21
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LOU DOBBS is reporing that ERNEST YOUNG one of the TOP FIVE ACCOUNTING FIRMS HAS REFUSED TO ACQUIRE AA!!!!!
Why would Ernest Young want to acquire AA? Afterall, they're already getting their customers.
54 posted on 03/13/2002 3:10:24 PM PST by Utopia
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I was watching Baseball Tonight on ESPN yesterday, and they had a commercial showing two baseballs with Don Mattingly's signature. One was signed by Mattingly, and the other wasn't. The point was, how can you tell the diff if you are a collector?

The answer: Authentic collectables have a cool holographic sticker on them, signifying that Arthur Andersen certifies that Don Mattingly or whoever really signed the ball.

Oops. That's an error on the advertiser.

56 posted on 03/13/2002 3:15:22 PM PST by L.N. Smithee
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ENRON was what the securities industry is...A self indulgent sub-culture that sees no bounds of morality...

ENRON is a blip on the radar...a micro blip...but if you look at ENRON...you will see the whole scam that the securities industry is...

They are all crooks...Anderson...Enron...Market Makers...UnderWriters....the whole thing is set up to fleece the public...

I am amazed that the "focus" on Enron and Anderson hasn't moved to the real culprit of this scheme...the industry itself and its sub-culture.

Why do you think they issued upgrades when the market was tanking? Where do you think the smart (inside) money was? IT WAS SHORT FOR CHRIST SAKE! Why do you think they kept issueing upgrades? SO THEY COULD SHORT INTO THE SHEEP!!!...

Enron was nothing more than a corporate daytrader playing with leveraged and risky positions...AA helped them....nothing more....

KEEP YOUR EYE ON INDUSTRY! Enron and AA are indicative of a far greater problem...The rest of the boys in the club are plenty pissed off for the spotlight that ENE and AA brought...they will deflect and obfuscate....WATCH THE INDUSTRY

59 posted on 03/13/2002 3:17:34 PM PST by antaresequity
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garbage in...garbage out
78 posted on 03/13/2002 3:36:27 PM PST by let freedom sing
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