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DEATH of Aurther ANDERSEN
CNN | March 13th | LOU DOBBS

Posted on 03/13/2002 2:28:03 PM PST by Roger_W_Isom

LOU DOBBS is reporing that ERNEST YOUNG one of the TOP FIVE ACCOUNTING FIRMS HAS REFUSED TO ACQUIRE AA!!!!! This is NOT good NEWS!!!! if YOUNG refuses to accept AA offer to sell itself to YOUNG that means only one thing FOLKS!!!!

AA is in FAR more seious shape then we realize and we could be looking at the other accountting firms REFUSING TO ACQUIRE AA as early as Mid April!!!!


TOPICS: Breaking News; Business/Economy; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: corruption; deathknell; enron; enronlist; globalcrossing
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The death of AA is going to cause a LOT of LAWSUITS... look for SOME to go after at LEAST JP MORGAN and CITGROUP at least!!!!
1 posted on 03/13/2002 2:28:03 PM PST by Roger_W_Isom
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To: Roger_W_Isom
it's a shame for many people employed there ... but apparently many AA partners have no problem lying about bankrupt corporations all over the world ... ripping off good people with their money invested in 401k's ... goodbye AA ...
2 posted on 03/13/2002 2:30:38 PM PST by Bobby777
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To: Roger_W_Isom
Don't know about you, but I figured AA would be pushing up daisies when Enron hit the fan. And they deserve what they get.
3 posted on 03/13/2002 2:31:17 PM PST by Endeavor
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To: Roger_W_Isom
DeLoite could be the only savior.
4 posted on 03/13/2002 2:32:41 PM PST by KC Burke
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To: Endeavor
Ditto what Endeavor said. The only people who would want to use AA now are crooks. Who is going to believe the next audit they do? I trust the good people there will eventually find jobs at reputable firms.
5 posted on 03/13/2002 2:33:32 PM PST by Gordian Blade
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To: Endeavor
when Global Crossing came along a little later(?) plus another one, I figured they were in big trouble ... I didn't think the whole thing would come down ...

hmmm, first AA, then Sally Jessy Raphael and now Rosie O'Donnell's leaving her show ... could they be linked? ... hehe ... just kidding ...
6 posted on 03/13/2002 2:33:57 PM PST by Bobby777
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To: KC Burke
Wait, I really don't understand. How does this have a negative impact on anyone/anything? Just because no other FIRM acquires the FIRM of AA, doesn't mean that no one will take on the accounts or many of the PERSONNEL. Indeed, my accountant has already told me that his firm has seen low level transfers occurring already. Am i missing something?
7 posted on 03/13/2002 2:34:16 PM PST by LS
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To: KC Burke;ken5050
Deloite doesnt want them....I think.

Ken FYI!

8 posted on 03/13/2002 2:35:33 PM PST by Dog
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To: Roger_W_Isom
But I thought that it was all Bush's fault for Enron's troubles, not poor accounting.

If AA goes belly up (who really thought anyone would "merge" or acquire such damaged goods) that makes headlines that could otherwise be used to slam Bush.

Poor dems.

9 posted on 03/13/2002 2:35:34 PM PST by freedomlover
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To: LS
Am i missing something?

Yes. You're refusing to indulge in the grandfather fallacy, the belief that current uses of scarce resources must be superior to what will follow if those resources are released.

10 posted on 03/13/2002 2:37:15 PM PST by untenured
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To: KC Burke
Given the cases that has gone against AA do you HONESTLY think Deloite would be THAT idiotic????? ROFL The FIRST thing I'd do if I were a Shareholder there would be file an IMMEDIATE restrianing order to halt ALL attempts to acquire AA and that NEXT folks!!!!
11 posted on 03/13/2002 2:38:04 PM PST by Roger_W_Isom
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To: Roger_W_Isom
The death of AA is going to cause a LOT of LAWSUITS

Among other things.....

Raise your hand if you think the "Recession" is over...

Raise your hand if you think the market/economy hasnt bottomed yet.....(Raising my hand)

12 posted on 03/13/2002 2:38:08 PM PST by antaresequity
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To: Bobby777
I'm HONESTLY surprised that AA has lasted THIS long.... Given YOUNGS refusal to accept a merger that tells me ALL I need to know.....
13 posted on 03/13/2002 2:39:32 PM PST by Roger_W_Isom
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To: Roger_W_Isom
The biggest problem isn't just buyers' concerns about the worth of future business. It is the following by AP:
WASHINGTON (AP) - The Justice Department (news - web sites) and the Securities and Exchange Commission (news - web sites) are working on separate objectives, but their dealings with former Enron auditor Arthur Andersen will affect each other.

Adio clip: Daschle: Corporate Fraud Should Be Punished (AP)

"There's always going to be some tension between the goals" of the two agencies, David Yellen, dean of Hofstra University Law School, said Wednesday. "In the end, they have to coordinate."

Justice Department prosecutors have been negotiating with Andersen representatives over the past week to 10 days and repeatedly have threatened the big accounting firm with indictment for destroying documents in the Enron case, according to people familiar with the negotiations.

One possible outcome would be for Andersen to plead guilty to obstruction of justice for the shredding of Enron-related documents at Andersen's Houston office last fall. Yet that could bar Andersen from performing audits and approving financial reports that companies file with the SEC, the core of its business — unless Andersen were granted a waiver.

If the SEC agreed to a waiver, it could come with conditions, such as Andersen splitting its auditing and consulting services to eliminate any conflict of interest, as advised by its new oversight committee led by ex-Federal Reserve (news - web sites) Chairman Paul Volcker.

Andersen's legal problems cost it a potential merger partner on Wednesday, as rival Ernst & Young said it had decided to scrap the idea of combining with Andersen.

Andersen recently has been in talks with Ernst & Young and Deloitte Touche Tohmatsu, another Big Five accounting firm, to sell all or part of its operations. Matthew Batters, a spokesman for Deloitte, said Wednesday the talks with Andersen were continuing.

Any potential buyer would want to know how much Andersen might have to pay to resolve its case.

The SEC wants Andersen to survive as a viable concern and hopes to recover hundreds of millions of dollars for defrauded Enron investors from the accounting firm.

The SEC apparently has taken a time-out in its dealings with Andersen while the Justice Department proceeds with its criminal case, legal sources said, speaking on condition of anonymity.

SEC spokesmen declined comment.

Justice spokesmen also declined comment, but it appeared no formal announcement of a resolution of the criminal case would be made before Thursday.

"This dance goes on quite often between Justice and the SEC," said Donald Langevoort, who teaches securities law at Georgetown University. "I don't see anything insuperable here."

Ultimately, he and Yellen said, the two agencies will work together on a legal resolution.

The SEC, unlike the Justice Department, has only civil powers and cannot put wrongdoers in jail. The market watchdog agency often works with Justice prosecutors on big financial-fraud cases, bringing a civil lawsuit simultaneously with Justice's criminal indictment. The SEC also can impose fines on companies and individuals.

High-profile examples include the Wall Street insider-trading scandals of the 1980s and early 1990s. Famed speculator Ivan Boesky, for example, spent two years in prison and paid a $100 million fine. Interestingly, Boesky's attorney was Harvey Pitt, now chairman of the SEC.

Energy trader Enron entered the biggest corporate bankruptcy in U.S. history on Dec. 2, toppled by a complex web of partnerships — improperly buttressed by Enron stock — that were used to hide more than $1 billion in debt from investors and the SEC.

Its financial reports, which overstated profits by nearly $600 million since 1997, were approved by the Andersen auditors. Some top Enron executives have said they believed the company's accounting was proper because Andersen had blessed it.

Now what we have here is a media frenzy, coupled with a blame game and as the Justice Dept tries to have a fall guy and battles the SEC who wants a deep pocket. Government administered business is no better than inept/grasping business.
14 posted on 03/13/2002 2:39:37 PM PST by KC Burke
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To: Dog
See #14
15 posted on 03/13/2002 2:41:04 PM PST by KC Burke
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To: Roger_W_Isom
"reporing that ERNEST YOUNG "

That's Ernst & Young.

16 posted on 03/13/2002 2:41:13 PM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts
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To: Gordian Blade
How'd YOU like to be the IRS and see the name AA as AUDITTORS on a COMPANY TAX RETURNS????? ROFLMAO that would be ALL I NEDD to get a new accounting firm FOLKS!!!:-))))
17 posted on 03/13/2002 2:41:39 PM PST by Roger_W_Isom
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To: Roger_W_Isom
I have two words for Arthur Anderson. Good riddance!
18 posted on 03/13/2002 2:42:26 PM PST by DoughtyOne
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To: Roger_W_Isom
Andersen is a firm of 90,000 people, dozens of divisions and hundreds of offices. They aren't all like that Texas Audit office.
19 posted on 03/13/2002 2:44:07 PM PST by KC Burke
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
Don't they make wheel chairs?
20 posted on 03/13/2002 2:45:02 PM PST by cmsgop
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