Posted on 02/14/2002 2:01:02 PM PST by FresnoDA
Edited on 04/12/2004 2:09:59 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
The Clovis Unified School Board voted 5-2 to approve the club, with members Richard Lake and Susan Walker dissenting.
Supporters say the club promotes tolerance and equality among students of varying sexual orientation; people against the club say it promotes homosexuality and has no place in the schools.
(Excerpt) Read more at fresnobee.com ...
As if there weren't someone in DC who could do something about denying school districts federal tax dollars, because they don't allow pedophilic predation in the schools.
Absolutely. Well said!
I trust that was sarcasm?
People, if young or old, cannot have their sexual preference
changed by "conditioning" or "peer pressure". A human's
sexual orientation is far more complex than a simple "gee I want
to be gay because it looks like fun and everybody's doing it"
Usually, one's sexual orientation is kept well hidden from parents,
family and friends. It appears to be one of the most lonely states
of human development. The "closeting" of one's identity has been
noted as the cause for youthful suicide. For anyone to suggest that
"being gay" is something anyone would "choose" over being the
more acceptable "normal" is totally ludicrous.
But that mentality and rhetoric does make great fodder for the
causes of both the "religious right" and morally abandoned freedom
stifling groups.
To suggest one's real sexual identity should be stifled, changed or
converted for the benefit of those that cannot accept it, is about
the most immoral and freedom robbing action anyone can
conscribe to.
Thanks
You appear to be overly attentive to sexual innuendo,
is there a reason for that?
Try talking to someone without imagining sexual acts,
it can be much more rewarding than your gutter dwelling.
As far as future support of this school system, I plan on contributing in any way I can to seeing these five board members defeated in future elections. And as long as I live in Clovis I will work to defeat any bond measures for the school system.
Letters have been sent to all 7 board members.
I know I shouldn't be surprised that this was allowed, but I really was. I was more surprised to see how few parents actually attended this meeting and I truly believe this had some impact. Clovis parents are known for participating and supporting their students, but sure fell short in this instance. I am just thankful my daughters interests and extracurricular activities are not tied to her current school. It is nice to see some of the parents standing by their convictions and taking their kids away from this.
I trust that was sarcasm?
no-- except sh.be prefaced with "sometimes"-- but usually most of the time
People, if young or old, cannot have their sexual preference changed by "conditioning" or "peer pressure". A human's sexual orientation is far more complex than a simple "gee I want to be gay because it looks like fun and everybody's doing it"
peer pressure exacts an increased toll over time-- peer pressure is ongoing, especially when someone is/becomes vulnerable to manipulators.
Usually, one's..... is kept well hidden ....lonely states.... The "closeting" .....cause for youthful suicide.
You've described the suffering, mentally ill to a "T", though the APA officially declassified "gays".
For anyone to suggest that "being gay" is something anyone would "choose" over being the more acceptable "normal" is totally ludicrous.
The "gay-in-your-face-agenda" is ludicrous-- and a total choice.
great fodder...
soup du jour.
To suggest one's.... should be stifled, changed or converted for the benefit of those that cannot accept it, is about the most immoral and freedom robbing action anyone can conscribe to.
Again, you mention addiction or whatever-- you've described what often requires intervention.
Good for you! Unelect them!
By suggesting that a person's sexual desires can be changed
to conform to whatever style you find favorable, is to suggest
that such a thing can be done, and should be done.
That.... is preposterous, ridiculous and about as self-serving
as one can get.
No-one likes anyone's agenda to be "pushed in their face"
(myself included), but there is a purpose and need for the
militant, and I can accept that. To extend a distaste for
the "militant" to include people who have no other agenda
than to live life in the style they find most satisfactory to them,
is to impose your own prejudiced beliefs upon them.
You are free to "feel" whatever manner you desire towards
any other human. But we are not discussing the right to "feel"
any particular way. We are discussing the right to be and the
right to live life unencumbered by hate mongering, prejudiced
individuals.
If having a "club" or using educational facilities to help others
understand nature's quirks will help thwart prejudice, then that
might be the best way to deal with it.
We are witnessing an revolution of sorts. People that once
felt afraid to reveal their true identity are "coming out" in
numbers that are staggering. To allude to being "gay", or
to openly show desire for a same-sex relationship is
becoming more predominant in this World as time passes.
People that once felt the need to keep their "secret", secret,
are finding that revealing their true colors is not as detrimental,
nor ever should be detrimental, as they once thought.
Homosexuality and homosexual behavior has been around
longer than you or I, and will remain as part of human (and
animal) life as long as life itself, continues. To think that it
should be hidden from your view; that it is better to be
hidden from view, only serves your needs. It does not
"discourage" homosexuality, nor does it thwart anyone's
orientation towards homosexuality. You are either "gay"
or you are not. It's a fairly simple fact.
Sooner or later, you will find that someone you care
about, is "gay".
Go in peace, my friend. I wish you luck.
I didn't assume... you accuse moi?
(A)No-one likes anyone's agenda to be "pushed in their face" (myself included), but there is a purpose and need for the militant, and I can accept that.
It must be painful to accept what you don't like-- How do you do that? Isn't it cruel to do that to yourself?
(B) We are discussing the right to be and the right to live life unencumbered by hate mongering, prejudiced individuals.
Statement A does not wash with statement B-- you're saying it's ok to be militant and hate mongering, as long as it's done by "gays"?
If having a "club" or using educational facilities to help others understand nature's quirks will help thwart prejudice, then that might be the best way to deal with it.
Big MIGHT there. Quirks are best studied in college or graduate school. You assume NO prejudice exists within the "club." ref to above statements A and B, which are prejudicial.
... "coming out" in numbers that are staggering. ...is not as detrimental, nor ever should be detrimental, as they once thought.
There you go again,-- not AS DETRIMENTAL there. Like-- not SO bad, still bad. ...nor SHOULD BE detrimental... except it is.
You are either "gay" or you are not. It's a fairly simple fact.
Then the aforementioned person who had the gay relationship, but wanted "out" with a man,-- wasn't "really" gay? Now, why didn't they know that before? without experimentation? without coerscion? Without gay clubs in high school? what?
Sooner or later, you will find that someone you care about, is "gay".
No one who I care about is "gay", but there is a good possibility that someone who I care about, is confused because of a failed heterosexual marriage/relationship-- and IS experiencing coerscion by a "butch" militant.
"Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when first we ponder to deceive."
Go in peace, my friend. I wish you luck.
I fear you need luck more than I, my friend,--
but more than luck, you need peace- "Go thy way and sin no more."
How about my right to pay my bills in peace, unencumbered by stiff-necked Treasury agents who don't like my little printing press?
Just because someone is born a kleptomaniac doesn't mean he's endowed with a right to act out.
I've discovered that about a few people I've known. The fact that people in my circle may have been gay doesn't affect what I think about gay-fascist politics. Just because I once discovered that an ancestor had been a dishonest pawnbroker doesn't change my opinion of the laws governing pawnshops. And it shouldn't, or else I'm a hypocrite. That's why gay polemicists love PFLAG.
Oh, now wait a minute. You're not honestly describing a situation in which some teen is alone with a gay adult who's about to get over on him/her, it's nine at night and there's nobody else around -- "it looks like fun and everybody's doing it" isn't exactly the mise en scene that fits with reality, is it?
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