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To: let freedom sing
If you assume you can tell a "gay" from a "straight", or
that your own children would never be "gay" totally
unbeknownst  to you, then you had better make an
appointment  with a qualified psychologist. You will 
be in for a shock.

By suggesting that a person's sexual desires can be changed
to conform to whatever style you find favorable, is to suggest
that such a thing can be done, and should be done.

That.... is preposterous, ridiculous and about as self-serving
as one can get.

No-one likes anyone's agenda to be "pushed in their face"
(myself included), but there is a purpose and need for the
militant, and I can accept that. To extend a distaste for
the "militant" to include people who have no other agenda
than to live life in the style they find most satisfactory to them,
is to impose your own prejudiced beliefs upon them.

You are free to "feel" whatever manner you desire towards
any other human. But we are not discussing the right to "feel"
any particular way. We are discussing the right to be and the
right to live life unencumbered by hate mongering, prejudiced
individuals.

If having a "club" or using educational facilities to help others
understand nature's quirks will help thwart prejudice, then that
might be the best way to deal with it.

We are witnessing an revolution of sorts. People that once
felt afraid to reveal their true identity are "coming out" in
numbers that are staggering. To allude to being "gay", or
to openly show desire for a same-sex relationship is 
becoming more predominant in this World as time passes.
People that once felt the need to keep their "secret", secret,
are finding that revealing their true colors is not as detrimental,
nor ever should be detrimental, as they once thought.

Homosexuality and homosexual behavior has been around
longer than you or I, and will remain as part of human (and
animal) life as long as life itself, continues. To think that it 
should be hidden from your view; that it is better to be
hidden from view, only serves your needs. It does not
"discourage" homosexuality, nor does it thwart anyone's
orientation towards homosexuality. You are either "gay"
or you are not. It's a fairly simple fact.

Sooner or later, you will find that someone you care
about, is "gay". 

Go in peace, my friend. I wish you luck.

 

175 posted on 02/18/2002 4:03:45 PM PST by Deep_6
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To: Deep_6, saundra duffy, Fresno DA
If you assume...

I didn't assume... you accuse moi?

(A)No-one likes anyone's agenda to be "pushed in their face" (myself included), but there is a purpose and need for the militant, and I can accept that.

It must be painful to accept what you don't like-- How do you do that? Isn't it cruel to do that to yourself?

(B) We are discussing the right to be and the right to live life unencumbered by hate mongering, prejudiced individuals.

Statement A does not wash with statement B-- you're saying it's ok to be militant and hate mongering, as long as it's done by "gays"?

If having a "club" or using educational facilities to help others understand nature's quirks will help thwart prejudice, then that might be the best way to deal with it.

Big MIGHT there. Quirks are best studied in college or graduate school. You assume NO prejudice exists within the "club." ref to above statements A and B, which are prejudicial.

... "coming out" in numbers that are staggering. ...is not as detrimental, nor ever should be detrimental, as they once thought.

There you go again,-- not AS DETRIMENTAL there. Like-- not SO bad, still bad. ...nor SHOULD BE detrimental... except it is.

You are either "gay" or you are not. It's a fairly simple fact.

Then the aforementioned person who had the gay relationship, but wanted "out" with a man,-- wasn't "really" gay? Now, why didn't they know that before? without experimentation? without coerscion? Without gay clubs in high school? what?

Sooner or later, you will find that someone you care about, is "gay".

No one who I care about is "gay", but there is a good possibility that someone who I care about, is confused because of a failed heterosexual marriage/relationship-- and IS experiencing coerscion by a "butch" militant.

"Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when first we ponder to deceive."

Go in peace, my friend. I wish you luck.

I fear you need luck more than I, my friend,--

but more than luck, you need peace- "Go thy way and sin no more."

176 posted on 02/18/2002 5:57:57 PM PST by let freedom sing
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To: Deep_6
We are discussing the right to be and the right to live life unencumbered by hate mongering, prejudiced individuals.

How about my right to pay my bills in peace, unencumbered by stiff-necked Treasury agents who don't like my little printing press?

Just because someone is born a kleptomaniac doesn't mean he's endowed with a right to act out.

177 posted on 02/18/2002 8:14:44 PM PST by lentulusgracchus
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