[quietolong]

This Was a good show.

One of the things that it showed was how many Communists spys there were in high government posts. AND that there were over 300 spys never identified

How many do we have in government NOW.

Joe McCarthy Didn’t know how right he was. Or as McCarthy said. "The government is full of Communists.

Info on Senator Joseph McCarthy

[Twodees]

The title says what many people have been saying for years; that McCarthy had no idea how right he really was. The USSR would not have developed nuclear weapons on its own. American communists are directly responsible for the Cold War, for just this reason. Of course, had FDR lived, all American nuclear technology would probably have been shared with the USSR at no charge.

[jamaksin]

Just as many Americans never heard of Ted Hall; many Americans are still not aware that in 1943, under the Lend-Lease program, tons of nuclear materials were shipped to the USSR.

[backhoe]

Tailgunner Joe--Patriot Whistleblower or Right-Wing Witch-hunter?

[Pagey]

I didn't see the show, but I received "The Venona Secrets" for Christmas,among others,and am only about 80-85 pages in and it is amazing reading.I must complete it first,before I buy copies for my my horrible,liberal, co-workers birthdays this year.That is my plan.

[VOA]

Just pinging you.
I saw this episode of Nova here in Los Angeles last Tuesday...it was an INCREDIBLE
job done on the Soviet infiltration at Los Alamos and FDR's administration.
Imagine a PBS production that has the "intestinal fortitude" to say that
Alger Hiss really was (most likely) a Soviet agent.
Honest, this Nova episode is that good.

Why am I pinging you, in particular? IIRC, you are in the Dallas area...and I just sent
my cousin in Dallas an e-mail to remind him to see this episode when it airs tonight on
KERA-13 at 11:30 PM (Monday 2/11/02).

If you are interested, but that time is too late, I guarantee it will be worth videotaping!
Cheers...and sorry if I bothered you needlessly.

[Lonesome in Massachussets]

I watched the Nova report on the "Rosenbergs" with a strange mix of nausea and fascination. Since the guilt of the Rosenbergs (as defined by statute) has been proven beyond any doubt what is left for their defenders? That bigger fish got away? That they were morally and intellectually superior human beings and therefore not bound by the laws of a government established by slave-holding White males? (This is known in law as the Kathleen Soliah defense.) Nova did manage to avoid the assertion that the information was not of value to the Soviets. (It was, though not critical.)

They even let slip that Ethel Rosenberg importuned her sister-in-law to pressure her own brother, David Greenglass, into supplying information to the Soviets, which sort of shreds the loyal wife defense. (Actually, many believe that Ethel was the instigator, pressuring her henpecked husband into becoming an agent.) She was convicted of typing the information supplied by her brother, a fact that the Nova report inexplicably overlooked. They seem to claim that because the Soviets never actually named Ethel Rosenberg as an "agent" in any of their cable traffic or in the Moscow archives, she is not guilty of espionage. But she is identified as Julius' wife (she did not have a code name, he was code named LIBERAL) and in context it is pretty clear that she was an active participant, and so recognized by Moscow.

I'm baffled about the point of the report. Essentially, the thesis is that Joe McCarthy was correct, but he had no right to be, mostly because he was the wrong sort of person. Apparently the report started out as a report on the Venona decrypts (I'm speculating). The Venona decrypts are interesting, the result of persistence and intellectual rigor on the part of the Americans (the bad guys) and procedural sloppiness and endemic laziness on the part of the Soviets (the good guys in our drama). In PBS-land that dog won't hunt.

Airing Ethel Rosenberg's son's claim that his mother was "murdered in cold blood by this government" is unspeakably callous. He in not a disinterested party and is hardly in a position to be objective. His mother's life might have been spared if she, or her husband, had named other Soviet agents. Some find her behavior heroic. But if she loved her son, won't she have been more concerned about assuring that he had a home to grow up in and less in the progress of international communism? The future will work itself out, without the exertions of any one of us, but our children need us uniquely to ensure their future. As parents, the Rosenbergs were failures. Sacrificing your children to some messianic ego trip is no more noble than sacrificing them to drugs or alcohol. But don't tell her son that.

[jackbill]

Let's see, Greenglass, Rosenberg, Oppenheimer, Stone, Alterman, etc., etc..

See a trend here?

[davidosborne]

Our Freedom of speech is in Jeopardy !!

There are actually 2 petitions that I know of so far.. Please sign BOTH !!...

Petition Written By: S.D. Smith

Petition Written By: David C. Osborne

FREEPMAIL me if you are aware of any other petitions so I can add them to my list...

[blam]

Joe McCarthy was 100% correct. One of the best books I've ever read is Witness by Whittaker Chambers.

[FreePaul]

JOE McCARTHY WAS RIGHT!
He "smeared" people by pointing out that they were communists or actively supported communist causes. This posed problems for some. Unfortunately it didn't last long enough to pose problems for enough communists.

[quietolong]

putting at the top of my list

[quietolong]

Treason Still Shadows J.R. Oppenheimer

[quietolong]

We Told You So - Secret Venona Intercepts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/711735/posts

[TomServo]

A Tim Robbins bump...

[ladyinred]

They are still here and protected by their party.

[quietolong]

Venona Project Homepage, NSA (Decrypted Soviet Cables, Coulter source for Treason book)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/935929/posts

[quietolong]

Introduction to the VENONA Project

http://www.nsa.gov/docs/venona/

[CyberAnt]

PBS - NOVA ..?? WOW !! What's the name of the program - I'll watch for it - this is great! It definitely proves Ann Coulter's assertion that McCarthy knew the truth - and the DEMOCRATS hid it by using the POLITICS OF PERSONAL DESTRUCTION. So what else is new!!

[GOPJ]

Oldie but goodie bump

[nw_arizona_granny]

Bump