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Suckers [Re: Crisis at Klamath Falls]
Washington Times ^ | Wednesday, February 6, 2002 | House Editorial

Posted on 02/05/2002 10:14:06 PM PST by JohnHuang2

Edited on 07/12/2004 3:51:07 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Last summer, about 1,400 drought-stricken farmers in the Klamath Basin got sucker-punched by scientists at the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service and the Marine Fisheries Service

(Excerpt) Read more at washtimes.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: enviralists; green; klamathbasincrisis; klamathlist; michaeldobbs
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1 posted on 02/05/2002 10:14:07 PM PST by JohnHuang2
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To: farmfriend; brityank
And so it goes.
2 posted on 02/05/2002 10:16:26 PM PST by nunya bidness
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To: *KlamathBasinCrisis;*Klamath_list
bump
3 posted on 02/05/2002 10:22:11 PM PST by Fish out of Water
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To: JohnHuang2
Thanks for the post. Make sure you visit the other threads regarding the law suit etc.
4 posted on 02/05/2002 10:34:52 PM PST by farmfriend
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To: nunya bidness
Thanks for the flag.
5 posted on 02/05/2002 10:35:14 PM PST by farmfriend
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To: farmfriend
Welcome, my friend.
6 posted on 02/05/2002 10:35:38 PM PST by JohnHuang2
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To: AuntB;nunya bidness;GrandmaC;Washington_minuteman;tex-oma;buffyt;Grampa Dave;Jolly Rodgers...

7 posted on 02/05/2002 10:35:57 PM PST by JohnHuang2
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To: JohnHuang2
I love it. I needed a good laugh.
8 posted on 02/05/2002 10:39:33 PM PST by farmfriend
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To: JohnHuang2
Did you see the controversy on one thread about the stolen JohnHuang2 ping list?
9 posted on 02/05/2002 10:40:24 PM PST by farmfriend
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To: farmfriend
Did you see the controversy on one thread about the stolen JohnHuang2 ping list?

No, came on just a short while ago. Can you post a link?

Thanks.

10 posted on 02/05/2002 10:41:17 PM PST by JohnHuang2
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To: JohnHuang2
It was a while ago. I'll see if I can find it.
11 posted on 02/05/2002 10:42:47 PM PST by farmfriend
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub
Do you remember which thread had the fight about the stolen JohnHuang2 list?
12 posted on 02/05/2002 10:44:00 PM PST by farmfriend
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To: JohnHuang2
Ok, I found it.

Here

13 posted on 02/05/2002 10:53:25 PM PST by farmfriend
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To: farmfriend
Thanks =^)
14 posted on 02/05/2002 11:03:44 PM PST by JohnHuang2
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To: JohnHuang2
Lying to get their way. Phony Lynx hair and claims of endangered fish all in the name
of protection when they really want control over our property rights. Environmentalism is communism.

[Excerpted from Hillary Clinton and the Radical Left] The first truth about leftist missionaries, about believing progressives, is that they are liars. But they are not liars in the ordinary way, which is to say by choice. They are liars by necessity-often without even realizing that they are. Because they also lie to themselves. It is the political lie that gives their cause its life.

Why, for example, if you were one of them, would you tell the truth? If you were serious about your role in humanity's vanguard, if you had the knowledge (which others did not), that you were certain would lead them to a better world, why would you tell them a truth that they could not "understand" and that would hold them back?

If others could understand your truth, you would not think of yourself as a "vanguard." You would no longer inhabit the morally charmed world of an elite, whose members alone can see the light and whose mission is to lead the unenlightened towards it. If everybody could see the promised horizon and knew the path to reach it, the future would already have happened and there would be no need for the vanguard of the saints.

That is both the ethical core and psychological heart of what it means to be a part of the left. That is where the gratification comes from. To see yourself as a social redeemer. To feel anointed. In other words: To be progressive is itself the most satisfying narcissism.

That is why it is of little concern to them that their socialist schemes have run aground, burying millions of human beings in their wake. That is why they don't care that their panaceas have caused more human suffering than all the injustices they have ever challenged. That is why they never learn from their "mistakes." That is why the continuance of Them is more important than any truth.

If you were active in the so-called "peace" movement or in the radical wing of the civil rights causes, why would you tell the truth? Why would you tell people that no, you weren't really a "peace activist," except in the sense that you were against America's war. Why would you draw attention to the fact that while you called yourselves "peace activists," you didn't oppose the Communists' war, and were gratified when America's enemies won?

What you were really against was not war at all, but American "imperialism" and American capitalism. What you truly hated was America's democracy, which you knew to be a "sham" because it was controlled by money in the end. That's why you wanted to "Bring the Troops Home," as your slogan said. Because if America's troops came home, America would lose and the Communists would win. And the progressive future would be one step closer. Why would you admit that, despite your tactical support for civil rights, you weren't really committed to civil rights as Americans understand rights? What you really wanted was to overthrow the very Constitution that guaranteed those rights, based as it is on private property and the individual-both of which you despise.

It is because America is a democracy and the people endorse it, that the left's anti-American, but "progressive" agendas can only be achieved by deceiving the people. This is the cross the left has to bear: The better world is only achievable by lying to the very people they propose to redeem. [End Excerpt] --Author: David Horowitz

15 posted on 02/06/2002 12:29:41 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: nunya bidness; JohnHuang2; *landgrab; *Green; *Enviralists; farmfriend; marsh2; dixiechick2000...
Given those vast uncertainties, it is somewhat astonishing that policy-makers pursued such a course. Yet, since federal biologists had earlier determined that populations of threatened fish would be even more threatened by low water levels, federal policy-makers — ranging from Interior Secretary Gale Norton to the federal marshals guarding irrigation gates — were hooked on the strictures of the Endangered Species Act (ESA).

The ESA must be either severely ammended or (preferably) revoked. Its base premise, that everything from amoeba to sequoia to whales have more right to exist than Man under all situations is false.

16 posted on 02/06/2002 3:11:34 AM PST by brityank
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Thanks for the ping, brityank and John for the article.

Bumping for the FREE FLOWING WATER TO THE FARMERS AND RANCHERS!!!

17 posted on 02/06/2002 3:21:32 AM PST by shotabug
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To: JohnHuang2
The fact that this issue is in the Washington Times is huge progress. I read the other day that the Bureau of Reclamation was going to have an equal say to the Fish & Wildlife hippies in determining the access to the water in the basin. The Reclamation folks always wanted to abide by the water treaties, but it was the Clinton green fascists in Fish & Wildlife who cut it off, and by the time the Bushies got in and were involved, it was too late.

Having the Bureau of Reclamation take an aggressive role this year was basically what Norton promised last year when she fashioned that open-spigot compromise that was too late and really satisfied no-one. But, I am confident that the farmers are going to get their water this year.

But, John, that group of farmers is represented by a Republican, Greg Walden. Their guy serves on the House Resources Committee ... on the WATER AND POWER subcommittee!!! It should never have happened in the first place, and all the Free Republic 10th inning activism and anti-Bush rhetoric during this situation just astounded me, but it is somewhat indicative of the myopia that many here on FR harbor regarding working within the political system.

There is no way in hell that if they had a strategy to work within the system, that Rep. Walden couldn't have got them the water last year. But, as we've seen on FR, there are those who hold Republicans and the Federal government in complete contempt, they're inflexible and uncompromising in the view of politicians and civil servants, and if that is the case with the Klamath farmers, well, you reap what you sow in life.

18 posted on 02/06/2002 3:45:03 AM PST by ArneFufkin
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". . . more than 20 farmers are expected to have their lands auctioned off to pay debts, and the regional community lost between $134 million and $200 million."

From the origional post above. I'm wondering whether these farmers are going to be helped and the area assisted in overcoming such losses. Getting water this year is good but much damage needs to be undone.

19 posted on 02/06/2002 4:32:16 AM PST by toddst
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"It is clear from the NAS report that the strictures of the ESA have made suckers of us all."
20 posted on 02/06/2002 5:30:27 AM PST by B4Ranch
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