A Question for Creationists

February 5th, 2002 | Sabertooth

[Sabertooth]

Companion thread:

A Question for Evolutionists

[Sabertooth]

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[CheneyChick]

It all depends on your definition of "day".

Beautiful graphics, Saberkitty! Nice work!

[monkeyshine]

I've got my Rashi's commentary on the Pentateuch right here... but I really am having a hard time understanding your questions. What is it you want to know? I will quote to you verbatim what it says in Rashi's commentary.

[Sabertooth]

Thanks Betty.

[Buckeroo]

Keep in mind that within Genesis there is no exclaimation about the direction of Islam or Christianity or Jewish faith; besides other religious faith. Nope, nothing ........... it is all in the dark.

[RaceBannon]

How can the heavens be created on the same day there was a mist rising from the ground in Genesis 2, when these things occurred on different days in Genesis 1?

You are misreading the verse. In Genesis 2, it is spoken of as being a general time, as in 'the general period of time when', not as if it was the same day.

[jbstrick]

Interesting post. I have often pondered that myself. I am by education a scientist. I do believe in the theory of evolution. HOWEVER, I do not believe man evolved directly from apes. There is simply no direct evidence.

[CheneyChick]

2 Peter 3:8

But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.

[jbstrick]

"But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day."

Exactly!! I remember that phrase from Sunday school.

[RaceBannon]

Science, Scripture, and the Saviour.

The 6 days of creation: Were they days or ages?

The Gap Theory

[Russell Scott]

God transcends time, space, and matter. Since God can move back and forth in time, time becomes very hard to quantify. The best thing to do is accept Christ so you are assured of eternal salvation. Then when you enter eternal paradise, you will have the mind of God, and know and understand the answer to all your questions.

[RaceBannon]

see post 11. The days of Creation were not 1000 years. Look back at the top of the screen, and notice the order of events of creation. Imagine a world with plants for 1000 years with no sun!

[monkeyshine]

Not according to Rashi. Here is what Rashi says about Gen 4:

This teaches you that all of them were created on the first day.

There is more here, but it is somewhat esoteric. Because if you read this verse in the Hebrew script, the spelling of the word "they were created" is altered slightly to include a small Hey, which of course is used twice in the Hebrew name for God.

He goes on to explain that this infers that God created two worlds, and that this world was created with the letter Hey. "An intimation that the wicked will descend o the nether world, to see the pit like the letter Hey, which is closed from all sides and is open at the bottom [for the wicked] to descend through there.

[Sabertooth]

You are misreading the verse. In Genesis 2, it is spoken of as being a general time, as in 'the general period of time when', not as if it was the same day.

Seems to me that's exactly how I read the verse. Hence my question...

Why is "day" not a twenty-four hour period in Genesis 2:4, yet it must be in Genesis 1?

[monkeyshine]

I believe the biblical theory is that the plants existed beneath the surface of the earth, not to sprout until the sun and the rain could make them viable -- like a seed can survive under the ground without water or sun... water will make it begin to sprout even without sunlight, and the sunlight will make it rise from the earth.

[RaceBannon]

God transcends time, space, and matter. Since God can move back and forth in time, time becomes very hard to quantify. The best thing to do is accept Christ so you are assured of eternal salvation. Then when you enter eternal paradise, you will have the mind of God, and know and understand the answer to all your questions.

What is your basis for saying that God goes back and forth in time?
If God uses time references to teach us things, like why we have a week, why we have a year, and why the Sabbath day was to be a certain day, and yet to also consider that time is NOT important at all, why does God use the time references to us? Isn't it because the time references were accurate for a reason? Because they genuinely represented the time God took to accomplish what He said He accomplished in that time period? If you throw out the time references, you have no reason to not throw out anything else, for the same logic can apply. Either it means what it says, especially when it is specific, or it does not mean anything it says.

[Cowgirl]

Would you call God a liar? He said he made it in a 24 hour period and His Word is true. Any misunderstanding is on our part, not His.

[CheneyChick]

I've always taken it as a figure of speech, RB. Not a literal thousand years... God does not view time as humans do, but stands above it with the view of eternity. Time is relative.

[RaceBannon]

You would be wrong, then, because the Bible says that seed existed with Grass and plants.

11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, [and] the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed [is] in itself, upon the earth: and it was so. 12 And the earth brought forth grass, [and] herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed [was] in itself, after his kind: and God saw that [it was] good. 13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.