Top-Selling Bible to Be Issued in Gender-Neutral Version

Associated Press ^ | Monday, January 28, 2002 | Associated Press

[FourtySeven]

The International Bible Society said Monday that America's best-selling modern Bible is about to get an update using gender-neutral wording, despite past criticism of that idea from conservative Christians.

The revision will be called "Today's New International Version," or TNIV. The original "New International Version," which has sold more than 150 million copies worldwide since 1978, will remain on the market.

[CyberCowboy777]

Kay - I am not sure that you are reading all that is available to you concerning this subject.

If all they were doing was changing the usage of Men and Man in context to "people" when referring to all peoples, I doubt many would object. The issue is that these translations change very important word, form and context of the Bible. Please go back and get all the information before you accept this translation.

Honestly though, John 3:16 (For God so loved the World....) and the entire message of Salvation is WORLD based and cannot be confused to pertain to Men only. It is our JOB to inform them of the TRUTH.

[FourtySeven]

LOL

[Jerry_M]

I have never been a fan of the NIV, prefering instead the NASB. However, there is nothing wrong with the venerable KJV, and it is my preference when posting Scripture texts here.

The new HCSB looks promising, but the NASB and KJV are still my English language versions of choice.

[ColdSteelTalon]

I aggree in general to what you are saying. The KJV is the first complete version taken from the proper texts. There were others that were taken from the correct texts before the KJV.

[ColdSteelTalon]

It depends upon what you mean by edited????

[ColdSteelTalon]

See post #86 there are some good links

[davidosborne]

You fundamentalists need to get out more. I've seen and heard "progressive" protestants and Catholics (the phony pro-choice feminist practitioners) recite the Lord's Prayer beginning with "Our Father-mother, Who art in heaven....." This bible is aimed straight at that market. You better believe that, if it takes off, that God as "mother" thing will be in the next revision. ANd the diversity police will see to it that it gets as wide a distribution and consideration among the military as the Wiccan crap.

I will have to take your word on that one, I have no PERSONAL knowledge of that.. May God HELP/SAVE America !!

FReegards,

David

[newgeezer]

Although I don't, at the moment, have my Greek resources to refute all of your examples, this one is a slam-dunk:

Phil. 2:6: (NKJV 1979e.) change "thought it not robbery to be equal with God" to "did not consider equality with God something to be grasped". (robs Jesus Christ of deity)

No, it does not rob Christ of any diety (one of the hot-button phrases used by the KJV-only crowd), not in the least! The fact is, the KJV translation is wrong. You see, rather than grasp (cling to) His status in heaven, Christ made Himself of no reputation (emptied Himself), took the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men. Look at the verse in context with verse 7, and you'll see how your KJV-only cohorts have intentionally deceived you into believing their lie, and the true meaning of verse 6 was totally lost in the KJV.

[Gil4]

Matthew 24:19
(NKJV)
But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days!
(KJV)
And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!

The NKJV changes the Word of God at the request of Monica Lewinsky!!

[xm177e2]

When they say "gender neutral," they probably mean they'll refer to Him as "God" every single damn time, even if they have to use the word "God" three times in the same sentence.

[calmseas]

Quite likely most of the people who would think that this Bible is a good idea are not inclined to read the Bible anyway. Hopefully, the publisher will sink a ton of money into this and sell only a dozen copies.

[Mercat]

"70 AD" Show me any written English from 70 AD. Then we might find the word "man" in use and we could have an intelligent discussion.

[Mercat]

"I realize it is a more modern English, but the KJV is still readable for those who have good reading skills."

Good for you. Read away. I've read Beowolf in old English and The Canterbury Tales in Middle English. I've read most of the works of Shakespeare. I know from good reading skills. hehe... I also know from good spoken English. I'm not looking for a literary experience. I just want to get up and read the Bible every morning. You read what you want, I'll read what I want. There are some mornings I might want to read some Children's Bible. This year I may skip some of the really tedious parts. But, its better than not reading it at all and that's my point.

[willieroe]

Did you post the article exactly as it was? (FoxNews has now substituted their own article at the link provided.)

If you did, here's an editorial change that appears as the article as it currently appears online (CNN, Washington Post, et al.)

This morning's version: The International Bible Society said Monday that America's best-selling modern Bible is about to get an update using gender-neutral wording, despite past criticism of that idea from conservative Christians.

Current version: The International Bible Society said Monday that America's best-selling modern Bible is about to get an update using gender-neutral wording, despite past criticism of that idea from conservatives.

[Jean Chauvin]

"Question of the Day: Who owns a) Zondervan, b) HarperCollins, and c) FOX NEWS?"

I'm assuming you are trying to point out that Rupert Murdoch is behind the change. You might have a point if the actual text of the NIV was owned by Zondervan Publishing

On the contrary, the NIV text is copywrited by the International Bible Society. Zondervan Publishing has only the publication rights to the NIV.

Jean

[CyberCowboy777]

5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

I do not see how the context or meaning is lost in the KJV as you state. I also take offense of you statement: "deceived you into believing their lie". You have made no Factual case of a Lie, only your interpretation.

What of this little change

John 1:3: change "All things were made BY him;" to "All things were made THROUGH Him" (NKJV, NIV, NRSV, RSV)

Why the change...to make it more clear?

I do not condemn those that use a NKJV or NIV. I just do not see how on might think it necessary for The NKJV to remove the word "Lord" 66 times, The NKJV removes the word God 51 times, The NKJV removes the word "heaven" 50 times. How In just the New Testament alone the NKJV removes 2,289 words from the KJV and The NKJV makes over 100,000 word changes. Is it so important to make it easier to read that we remove words like Lord or God? I have no problem reading the KJV. (I am not publicly trained though.) What other works will we change to meet our lowering reading skills I wonder.

The NKJV also decides that maybe "Hades" should be "grave"! So the NKJV makes 1 Corinthians 15:55 "much clearer" by changing "grave" to "Hades"! ". . . O Hades, where is your victory?" Clear as mud. . . If Hades is Hell (why change that 23 times?) Hell has victory, the Grave does not.

The NKJV claims to make the "old" KJV "much clearer" by "updating obsolete words" (New King James Version, 1982e. p. 1235)

How about that "obsolete word" - "hell". The NKJV removes the word "hell" 23 times! And how do they make it "much clearer"? By replacing "hell" with "Hades" and "Sheol"! Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary defines Hades: "the underground abode of the dead in Greek MYTHOLOGY". By making it "much clearer" - they turn your Bible into MYTHOLOGY! Not only that, Hades is not always a place of torment or terror! The Assyrian Hades is an abode of blessedness with silver skies called "Happy Fields". In the satanic New Age Movement, Hades is an intermediate state of purification!

[FourtySeven]

Very interesting. To answer your question, yes, I copied and pasted it directly from FoxNews' article, which, I assumed, was a direct copy from the AP wire version. (I must admit I didn't check that though). Figures about CNN though. (harumph)

[CyberCowboy777]

You read what you want, I'll read what I want. There are some mornings I might want to read some Children's Bible. This year I may skip some of the really tedious parts. But, its better than not reading it at all and that's my point.

I cannot Study a Children's Bible or a mistranslated one. Since I am called to Study Gods Word, I will get a Bible that matches as close as possible to the original text. Until one closer is available that is the KJV.