CA GOV. CANDIDATE BILL SIMON IS CLOSELY LINKED WITH AN ORGANIZATION KNOWN FOR SPENDING TAXPAYER MONE

AmericanPatrol.com ^ | Jan. 24, 2002 | Glenn Spencer

[Nachum]

OK. I would love to hear a response from the people who support Bill Simon. He supports border control, but is he also is an advocate for these activities of Catholic Charities on the behalf of illegals?

I would love to pin him down on this.

[dvan]

Dear Nachum your sheets are ready! We did not starch them as per instructions!

[Nachum]

Then, can I mark you down as voting for Gray Davis or Riordon?

[DoughtyOne]

Here we go again.  I'm not a big supporter of Bush Simon, but I do think there is a reasonable explanation for his Catholic Charity support.  When people begin to engage in philanthropic endearvors, sitting on boards etc., they don't always know all the aspects of the organizations they are connected with.  You may be looking at a situation where Simon attended no more than a couple of board meetings per year.  The Catholic Charties organization sounds like one that I might like to be associated with, especially if I were Catholic.  But how many people are aware of their stance on illegal immigration?  I'd venture very few would know that for a decade or more they have supported illegals in every way they could.  As a result I couldn't join their organiztion in good concience.  Did Simon know all this.  I can't say for sure.  And I'm not going to dump on him for joining what sounded like a good organiztion on the surface.  It will be interesting to watch him address this issue if he does.  His response could very well swing my neutral rating to one of concern.

[Nachum]

Sounds good. It is a hot potato for him now. We'll see.

[Cicero]

May I say that there's a big difference between the traditional Catholic (or for that matter, Jewish) way, which is for private persons, churches, congregations, etc., to help people in need, and the modern liberal way, which is to force people to pay for income redistribution through taxes, whether they like it or not.

I have no gripe with people who take their own dollars and their own sweat and help people out. It's the folks who try to do it with other people's money through government spending who bother me.

[IM2Phat4U]

CA GOV. CANDIDATE BILL SIMON IS CLOSELY LINKED WITH AN ORGANIZATION KNOWN FOR SPENDING TAXPAYER MONE

From the headline, I thought this was about his links to the Republican Party.

[FormerLib]

...Rojas and his wife, Rita, are taking English and computer classes at Centro San Jose...

Well, I see your point. We don't want anyone teaching new immigrants how to speak English. They might start competing for the higher wage jobs then.

And that Catholic Charities and their encouraging women to give their babies up for adoption instead of just aborting them and being done with it. I mean, just how un-American is that? /sarcasm off

[Nachum]

Do you support Catholic Charities stance on illegal immigration?

[ElkGroveDan]

Wow. Your breathtaking ignorance is outweighed only by your zenophobic bigotry.

As conservatives and libertarians most of us here at FR feel that the poor and unfortunate are best served through charitable giving and the lessons of independance and self-help that those charities teach, rather than the suffocating dependance that comes with socialist government schemes.

Those are the concepts that people like Bill Simon support when they donate to Catholic Charities and other similar good causes.

You should spare us your ignorance, climb back into whatever hole you crawled out of and go back to watching for black helicopters. The rest of us have work to do fighting to restore the great and good Republic our founding fathers left us.

[ElkGroveDan]

KOOK ALERT PING

[FormerLib]

Do you support the Democrats on everything else, including their support of "undocumented workers?" Because, chum, that's who you're helping!

[Dan from Michigan]

I guess that means I support every single thing that a charity supports(even if I don't know about it)?

Let's say charity A is a major pro-life PRIVATE charity and also helps the less fotunate. Some that they help are illegal aliens. By Glenn Spencer's standards, I then support illegal aliens.

RIIIIIIIGHT.

[ElkGroveDan]

Good one DfM! I hadn't thought of that.

In fact the ONLY charities my wife and I give to outside our church are the crisis pregnancy centers in Sacramento and Stockton. So we must be guilty.

Based on Nachum's reasoning we should all stop giving to ANY charity for fear that an illegal alien might receive a pair of old shoes or a Christmas Turkey.

[Gophack]

Sounds like an old-fashioned case of Catholic bashing to me ... because Catholics ... and other Christians ... try and help those who are underprivileged, we are somehow in support of illegal aliens? I don't think so. What should we do, shoot them?

Catholic Charities has a long and distinguished history. If they are getting government money, that's less money going to Planned Parenthood. God calls on everyone to help those who are less fortunate. I think that is particularly good of Bill Simon to not only put his money into charitable giving, but his time as well.

[Gophack]

Ping

[Redcloak]

Riordan thinks that illegals have a "right" to free health care. (Something tells me that Spencer's gonna spend this entire campaign with his knickers in a permanent twist.)

[Nachum]

Do think that illegals should be served in this country?

[sarcasm]

How Catholic Charities Lost Its Soul

As advanced social thinkers rediscover the power of faith-based institutions to rescue the down-and-out by transforming the dysfunctional worldview that often lies at the root of their difficulties, you would think that Catholic Charities USA would be a perfect model to emulate, getting the poor into the mainstream by emphasizing moral values and ethical conduct. But no: rather than trying to promote traditional values and God-fearing behavior, Catholic Charities—and the same could be said about the Association of Jewish Family and Children's Agencies or the Lutheran Services in America—has become over the last three decades an arm of the welfare state, with 65 percent of its $2.3 billion annual budget now flowing from government sources and little that is explicitly religious, or even values-laden, about most of the services its 1,400 member agencies and 46,000 paid employees provide.

Far from being a model for reforming today's welfare-state approach to helping the poor, Catholic Charities USA is one of the nation's most powerful advocates for outworn welfare-state ideas, especially the idea that social and economic forces over which the individual has no control, rather than his own attitudes and behavior, are the reason for poverty. The example of this multibillion dollar charity should serve as a warning to policy makers seeking to privatize the care of the needy that they had better pick and choose prudently: for some of the institutions of civil society have been tainted with the same value-free worldview that has made most government-run poverty efforts a hindrance rather than a help to the poor.

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[Nachum]

How am I supporting the Dems by pointing out an organization that openly advocates encouraging their entry into the country?

I live in California. The illegals have almost destroyed this state.