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CA GOV. CANDIDATE BILL SIMON IS CLOSELY LINKED WITH AN ORGANIZATION KNOWN FOR SPENDING TAXPAYER MONE
AmericanPatrol.com ^ | Jan. 24, 2002 | Glenn Spencer

Posted on 01/25/2002 11:38:01 AM PST by Nachum

THESE ARE BILL SIMON'S WORDS

In recent years, I have increasingly tried to incorporate my faith into business, family, and charitable activities as I discovered that success in my work left me strangely empty. At first, I simply tried to incorporate the lessons taught in church during the balance of the week at work and at home. Later, I tried to increase my charitable work by volunteering and serving on BOARDS OF LOCAL CHARITIES such as Children's Hospital, Covenant House, and CATHOLIC CHARITIES, as well as setting up a foundation with my wife to help underprivileged children.

http://americanpatrol.com/CATHOLICHURCH/churchmeddlepolitics991020.html

CATHOLIC CHARITIES WENT POLITICAL LONG AGO

Catholic Charities was established in 1910 as a network of Catholic organizations providing such social services as adoption, alcoholism counseling, and aid to Catholic families, immigrants, and the elderly. By the 1970's, however, it was receiving more and more funds from Great Society programs and its focus grew more diffuse.

Instead of offering services to the faithful, Catholic Charities became an "advocate for justice." Today, Catholic Charities receives 64 percent of its $2.1 billion budget from government sources. In a piece available on Catholic Charities' website entitled Ten Ways Catholic Charities are Catholic, Father Fred Kammer, S.J., the president of Catholic Charities, has listed "advocacy for those in need," i.e., lobbying for greater social spending -- as one of the ten religious components of the organization. "The Catholic Church has a long and strong tradition of teaching about the responsibilities of government in promoting the common good," Kammer explains.

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CATHOLIC CHARITIES LOBBIES FOR DAY LABOR CENTER FOR ILLEGAL ALIENS

FROM NEWSDAY (Saturday, March 10, 2001)

http://www.newsday.com/news/daily/hire310.htm (Link has since expired)

"the proposal [to fund a day labor center] by Legis. Brian Foley (D-Blue Point) was held in committee status and not moved to the full body for a vote. The bill, heard in the legislature's social services committee, would grant taxpayer dollars to Hicksville-based CATHOLIC CHARITIES, A DIOCESE OF ROCKVILLE CENTRE group that has been lobbying for the facility the past two years. "

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http://www.rochesternews.com/1018hispanic.html (Link has since expired)

ROCHESTER, NEW YORK

PUTTING DOWN ROOTS

ITINERANT FARM WORKERS CREATE THEIR OWN COMMUNITIES WHEN THEY SETTLE IN THE ROCHESTER AREA

By Jim Memmott Democrat and Chronicle

The growth in rural Hispanic numbers is part of a nationwide trend, as more and more Spanish-speaking people who are hired to work on farms, and in meat and vegetable processing plants, choose to stay here year-round. "THIS IS NOT JUST A SHORT-TERM PHENOMENON," says Tim McMahon, director of CATHOLIC CHARITIES IN LIVINGSTON COUNTY, which has its office in Mount Morris. "AND WE NEED TO MAKE PEOPLE AWARE OF IT." But, as McMahon and others note, it is not always easy for Hispanic people to settle in the region. There are language barriers at every turn. There are transportation barriers. Finally, there are cultural barriers, a kind of understanding gap that needs to be filled in, though progress is being made. But even with these barriers, people stay and eventually thrive, says Maria O'Hearn, McMahon's colleague at Catholic Charities. "Why do they stay?" she says. "Because they like it here, because it's a good place to raise children, because they like the schools, because they can live here and have peace of mind." First one, then others Hispanic settlement is increasing in the same way other immigrant communities grew in the past. One person comes, and a family follows. Other family members and their friends arrive. SOON, THERE IS A SETTLEMENT.

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http://www3.cantonrep.com/cantonrep01/menus.php?ID=28391&r=3&Category=11

NEW PROGRAM EMPOWERS AREA LATINO IMMIGRANTS

By CHARITA M. GOSHAY
Repository staff writer

1/24/02

CANTON -- When Francisco Rojas came to America from Mexico in 1987, he couldn't speak English.

Rojas explained that as a field worker, there wasn't much need for it, since all of his co- workers were Latinos.

Today, Rojas and his wife, Rita, are taking English and computer classes at Centro San Jose, el Trabajador (St. Joseph Center for Workers), a new, multifaceted program for Spanish-speaking immigrants.

The center at 1500 Market Ave. N is co-sponsored by CATHOLIC CHARITIES OF STARK COUNTY and the Wooster-based Immigrant Worker Project.

Rojas, who has a pretty good grasp of English, said the classes have helped him on his job at an area restaurant.

"When you speak English, you can better communicate," he said.

"Our goal is to empower Central American and Mexican immigrants," said Laura Yeomans, who oversees the center. "English is so important. If you can speak English, you can get a better job, you can understand your rights as a tenant."

"Putting words together is difficult," Rojas said. "It's kind of hard to know the English language because it's different combinations of words from other countries."

Yeomans said 40 to 60 immigrants from Mexico, Guatemala and El Salvador attend classes each week. The age range is from 15 to 52.

Immigrants who can't speak English face common problems, such as access to medical care, better jobs, housing and transportation, she said.

In Ohio, a person must have a Social Security number to obtain a driver's license. On Tuesday, YEOMANS HAD TO DRIVE A MAN TO A DENTIST IN ANOTHER TOWN BECAUSE THE MAN CAN'T GET LICENSE and "we couldn't find a Spanish- speaking dentist," she said.

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http://www.newsday.com/coverage/current/editorial/thursday/nd238.htm (Link has since expired)

04/19/2001 - Thursday - Page A 42

EDITORIAL -- GOOD REASON TO OVERRIDE VETO ON FARMINGVILLE HALL

What's Spitzer's take? "I believe the county executive's opposition to government support of the center is based upon a flawed interpretation of the law," he said last week. "Neither the creation of a shape-up SITE NOR THE ACTIVITIES OF THE CATHOLIC CHARITIES IN RUNNING THE SITE WOULD BE IN VIOLATION OF ANY LAW." But he doesn't stop there: "Catholic Charities would not be recruiting, hiring or referring day laborers for a fee," he said. "Nor will they be impeding enforcement of immigration laws." In other words, there's nothing illegal about the center-or about following the lead of other municipalities and using public money in the center.

Gaffney, in an interview before the issue came to a second vote, explained his veto.

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http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/20010424/us/immigrant_tension_2.html (Link has since expired)

Tuesday April 24, 2001 -- 10:31 PM ET

NY COUNTY BACKS OFF DAY LABOR SITE

By FRANK ELTMAN, Associated Press Writer "We are being asked to give tax dollars to a FACILITY WHOSE PURPOSE IT IS TO BREAK THE LAW - THE FEDERAL IMMIGRATION LAWS AND STATE LABOR LAWS," he said. "It's like using government funds to build a hall during the Vietnam War to counsel those against the war on how to dodge the draft."

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http://www.newsday.com/news/daily/vote424a.htm (Link has since expired)

April 24, 2001

Legislature Fails to Override Veto

By Emi Endo and Bart Jones

Staff Writers

Legis. Andrew Crecca (R-Hauppauge), who had supported the original bill to provide CATHOLIC CHARITIES with $80,000 to build a center, said his vote today stemmed from his belief that illegal hiring activity would take place at a permanent hiring site.

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LAKE HISPANICS CRITICIZE INS RAIDS, QUICK DEPORTATIONS

Friday, November 17, 2000

By SARAH HOLLANDER
PLAIN DEALER REPORTER

PAINESVILLE - Five-month-old Jakalynn rested quietly in a fuzzy blue blanket last night, surrounded by grownups who say the girl captures the very essence of fear and turmoil facing Lake County's Hispanic community. Tuesday, the Immigration and Naturalization Service raided three Lake County factories and rounded up about 15 Mexican nationals, including Jakalynn's 19-year-old mother, Miriam Moreno. Moreno spent the night in jail. The next day, she was bused to Toledo, flown south, and dropped off at a border town with 10 others. "When we found a lawyer she was already in Mexico," said Painesville resident Efrain Rodriguez. He and his wife have no idea what will happen next, but will care for the baby in the meantime. Rodriguez joined about two dozen community members in the basement of a Painesville office building last night to draw attention to what they see as insensitive treatment by the INS... They want to be very hard- line, but it's damaging families and it's definitely damaging our community," said Veronica Dahlberg, an outreach worker WITH CATHOLIC CHARITIES IN PAINESVILLE and co-chairwoman of an advocacy group of Hispanic women called HOLA. The community wants raids and speedy deportations to stop, she said.

And, there is much more.

CATHOLIC CHARITIES TEACHES ILLEGAL ALIENS HOW TO COLLECT EARNED INCOME TAX CREDITS

CATHOLIC CHARITIES USES TAXPAYER MONEY TO DEFEAT OUR IMMIGRATION LAWS

CATHOLIC CHARITIES PLACES MIGRANT FAMILIES WITH PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH FAMILIES AND POCKETS THE MONEY IT GETS FROM THE GOVERNMENT.

THE IDEA THAT BILL SIMON WAS NOT AWARE OF CATHOLIC CHARITIES' MAJOR ROLE IN WORKING TO DEFEAT OUR IMMIGRATION LAWS IS SILLY.

MORE LATER,

GLENN SPENCER

(E-mail sent to mailing list on 1/24-25/02)


TOPICS: Editorial; Politics/Elections
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OK. I would love to hear a response from the people who support Bill Simon. He supports border control, but is he also is an advocate for these activities of Catholic Charities on the behalf of illegals?

I would love to pin him down on this.

1 posted on 01/25/2002 11:38:02 AM PST by Nachum
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To: Nachum
Dear Nachum your sheets are ready! We did not starch them as per instructions!
2 posted on 01/25/2002 11:52:06 AM PST by dvan
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To: dvan
Then, can I mark you down as voting for Gray Davis or Riordon?
3 posted on 01/25/2002 11:54:35 AM PST by Nachum
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To: Nachum
Here we go again.  I'm not a big supporter of Bush Simon, but I do think there is a reasonable explanation for his Catholic Charity support.  When people begin to engage in philanthropic endearvors, sitting on boards etc., they don't always know all the aspects of the organizations they are connected with.  You may be looking at a situation where Simon attended no more than a couple of board meetings per year.  The Catholic Charties organization sounds like one that I might like to be associated with, especially if I were Catholic.  But how many people are aware of their stance on illegal immigration?  I'd venture very few would know that for a decade or more they have supported illegals in every way they could.  As a result I couldn't join their organiztion in good concience.  Did Simon know all this.  I can't say for sure.  And I'm not going to dump on him for joining what sounded like a good organiztion on the surface.  It will be interesting to watch him address this issue if he does.  His response could very well swing my neutral rating to one of concern.
4 posted on 01/25/2002 12:02:10 PM PST by DoughtyOne
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Sounds good. It is a hot potato for him now. We'll see.
5 posted on 01/25/2002 12:05:24 PM PST by Nachum
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To: Nachum
May I say that there's a big difference between the traditional Catholic (or for that matter, Jewish) way, which is for private persons, churches, congregations, etc., to help people in need, and the modern liberal way, which is to force people to pay for income redistribution through taxes, whether they like it or not.

I have no gripe with people who take their own dollars and their own sweat and help people out. It's the folks who try to do it with other people's money through government spending who bother me.

6 posted on 01/25/2002 12:41:04 PM PST by Cicero
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CA GOV. CANDIDATE BILL SIMON IS CLOSELY LINKED WITH AN ORGANIZATION KNOWN FOR SPENDING TAXPAYER MONE

From the headline, I thought this was about his links to the Republican Party.

7 posted on 01/25/2002 12:49:01 PM PST by IM2Phat4U
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...Rojas and his wife, Rita, are taking English and computer classes at Centro San Jose...

Well, I see your point. We don't want anyone teaching new immigrants how to speak English. They might start competing for the higher wage jobs then.

And that Catholic Charities and their encouraging women to give their babies up for adoption instead of just aborting them and being done with it. I mean, just how un-American is that? /sarcasm off

8 posted on 01/25/2002 12:54:05 PM PST by FormerLib
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Do you support Catholic Charities stance on illegal immigration?
9 posted on 01/25/2002 1:03:26 PM PST by Nachum
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Wow. Your breathtaking ignorance is outweighed only by your zenophobic bigotry.

As conservatives and libertarians most of us here at FR feel that the poor and unfortunate are best served through charitable giving and the lessons of independance and self-help that those charities teach, rather than the suffocating dependance that comes with socialist government schemes.

Those are the concepts that people like Bill Simon support when they donate to Catholic Charities and other similar good causes.

You should spare us your ignorance, climb back into whatever hole you crawled out of and go back to watching for black helicopters. The rest of us have work to do fighting to restore the great and good Republic our founding fathers left us.

10 posted on 01/25/2002 1:51:32 PM PST by ElkGroveDan
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To: Gophack; StoneColdGOP; toenail; Impeach98; Dan from Michigan; RWGuy; TwoStep; Beeline40@aol.com...
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11 posted on 01/25/2002 1:52:48 PM PST by ElkGroveDan
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Do you support the Democrats on everything else, including their support of "undocumented workers?" Because, chum, that's who you're helping!
12 posted on 01/25/2002 1:54:26 PM PST by FormerLib
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I guess that means I support every single thing that a charity supports(even if I don't know about it)?

Let's say charity A is a major pro-life PRIVATE charity and also helps the less fotunate. Some that they help are illegal aliens. By Glenn Spencer's standards, I then support illegal aliens.

RIIIIIIIGHT.

13 posted on 01/25/2002 2:10:27 PM PST by Dan from Michigan
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Good one DfM! I hadn't thought of that.

In fact the ONLY charities my wife and I give to outside our church are the crisis pregnancy centers in Sacramento and Stockton. So we must be guilty.

Based on Nachum's reasoning we should all stop giving to ANY charity for fear that an illegal alien might receive a pair of old shoes or a Christmas Turkey.

14 posted on 01/25/2002 2:24:50 PM PST by ElkGroveDan
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Sounds like an old-fashioned case of Catholic bashing to me ... because Catholics ... and other Christians ... try and help those who are underprivileged, we are somehow in support of illegal aliens? I don't think so. What should we do, shoot them?

Catholic Charities has a long and distinguished history. If they are getting government money, that's less money going to Planned Parenthood. God calls on everyone to help those who are less fortunate. I think that is particularly good of Bill Simon to not only put his money into charitable giving, but his time as well.

15 posted on 01/25/2002 3:05:02 PM PST by Gophack
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16 posted on 01/25/2002 3:05:26 PM PST by Gophack
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To: Nachum
Riordan thinks that illegals have a "right" to free health care. (Something tells me that Spencer's gonna spend this entire campaign with his knickers in a permanent twist.)
17 posted on 01/25/2002 3:08:13 PM PST by Redcloak
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To: ElkGroveDan
Do think that illegals should be served in this country?
18 posted on 01/25/2002 3:16:04 PM PST by Nachum
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How Catholic Charities Lost Its Soul

As advanced social thinkers rediscover the power of faith-based institutions to rescue the down-and-out by transforming the dysfunctional worldview that often lies at the root of their difficulties, you would think that Catholic Charities USA would be a perfect model to emulate, getting the poor into the mainstream by emphasizing moral values and ethical conduct. But no: rather than trying to promote traditional values and God-fearing behavior, Catholic Charities—and the same could be said about the Association of Jewish Family and Children's Agencies or the Lutheran Services in America—has become over the last three decades an arm of the welfare state, with 65 percent of its $2.3 billion annual budget now flowing from government sources and little that is explicitly religious, or even values-laden, about most of the services its 1,400 member agencies and 46,000 paid employees provide.

Far from being a model for reforming today's welfare-state approach to helping the poor, Catholic Charities USA is one of the nation's most powerful advocates for outworn welfare-state ideas, especially the idea that social and economic forces over which the individual has no control, rather than his own attitudes and behavior, are the reason for poverty. The example of this multibillion dollar charity should serve as a warning to policy makers seeking to privatize the care of the needy that they had better pick and choose prudently: for some of the institutions of civil society have been tainted with the same value-free worldview that has made most government-run poverty efforts a hindrance rather than a help to the poor.

< SNIP >

19 posted on 01/25/2002 3:17:28 PM PST by sarcasm
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How am I supporting the Dems by pointing out an organization that openly advocates encouraging their entry into the country?

I live in California. The illegals have almost destroyed this state.

20 posted on 01/25/2002 3:19:30 PM PST by Nachum
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