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JUDGE TOSSES (Phoney) PILOT EVIDENCE
New York Post ^
| 1/16/02
| KATI CORNELL SMITH
Posted on 01/16/2002 12:38:17 AM PST by kattracks
Edited on 05/26/2004 5:03:26 PM PDT by Jim Robinson.
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January 16, 2002 -- In a blow to prosecutors' case against an alleged phony Egyptian pilot, jurors won't know about the homemade pilot's uniform and posters of plane cockpits Wael Kishk carried on a flight to Kennedy Airport on Sept. 19, a federal judge ruled.
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TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: islamicviolence; kishk
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posted on
01/16/2002 12:38:17 AM PST
by
kattracks
To: kattracks
So the judge threw out key evidence againt the "fake" pilot because he thought it would "influence the jury"? Well, bonehead, that's exactly what evidence is for, to influence the jury. Otherwise, why have trials? No military court would have thrown out evidence that was undeniably true, for such an absurd reason. This is an illustration of why the anti-terorist trials should not be in the hands of civil courts. Occasionally one would get foolish decisions like this one.
Congressman Billybob
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To: Congressman Billybob
Will all the islamists being let out of jail these days, I'm going to have to start saying that I DO BELIEVE in coincidence! After all:
The sanantonio doctor whose credit card bought tickets was not involved.
The two men taken off a train leaving fort worth with $25grand and box cutters were not involved
the student in the hotel across from the WTC with airplane radio was not involved.
And now, a fake pilot complete with uniform was not involved.
You have to admit, there's a lot of coincidence there for us country boys to live with.
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posted on
01/16/2002 4:25:41 AM PST
by
cb
To: kattracks
Brooklyn federal Judge Charles Sifton barred the evidence, saying it could put jurors "on a road of speculation" that Kishk was going to turn a plane into a missile and "blow up a big building." This judge should be impeached and removed from office.
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posted on
01/16/2002 4:51:55 AM PST
by
a_witness
To: a_witness
All of the evidence in this case is circumstantial. It doesn't 'prove' his intent. Maybe a military tribunal would convict this guy with this kind of evidence. Or course, that means they would also convict 'domestic terrorists' with the same kind of circumstantial evidence. "So, you admit that you are a member of the same gun club as a member of your state militia? And you admit to having one of those 'assault type weapons'? And you're enrolled in a 'self-defense' class! Didn't the officers searching your home find copies of Shotgun News and National Review, as well as a cookie for FreeRepublic on your computer? Your (military tribunal) honor, while we cannot show any specific intent, clearly the defendant has all of associations and training materials of a terrorist...."
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posted on
01/16/2002 5:37:13 AM PST
by
Careful
To: a_witness
HON. Charles P. Sifton
718-260-2631
718-260-2300
718-260-2306
To: kattracks
It's time to throw that judge out.
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posted on
01/16/2002 5:39:41 AM PST
by
CWRWinger
To: Careful
jurors won't know about the homemade pilot's uniform and posters of plane cockpits Wael Kishk carried on a flight to Kennedy Airport on Sept. 19,
I think the jurors have a right and duty to know what he carried on a flight one week after an attack on the United States of America. Of course I also think that Islamic terrorists are actively trying to murder millions of our citizens and those of our allies. Fancy that ...
I suppose we have alot more domestic supporters of terrorists than I'd hoped.
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posted on
01/16/2002 5:45:09 AM PST
by
a_witness
To: Careful
Kishk, 21, could face five years in prison if convicted of fashioning phony pilot papers - including a forged pilot's medical certificate and bogus flight school documents - that he carried in his luggage on a flight from Cairo, and then lying about his reason for coming to the United States.Why in the world are you defending an Islamic terrorist trying to murder Americans ? You should look yourself in the mirror and ask that question.
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posted on
01/16/2002 5:47:30 AM PST
by
a_witness
To: CWRWinger
It's time to throw that judge out.Or bring him up on charges of aiding and abetting the enemy.
To: Careful
All of the evidence in this case is circumstantial. It doesn't 'prove' his intent.You've been watching too many Perry Mason episodes. There is nothing inherently wrong with circumstantial evidence. It is sometimes better than direct evidence---including confessions. And it certainly can prove intent, for inferences of intent can be and often are drawn from circumstantial evidence. Hundreds of thousands--perhaps millions--of criminals have been convicted on the strength of circumstantial evidence used to prove specific intent.
And military juries use the same rules of evidence as civilian federal juries. The big difference is, military juries comprise mostly men and women who hold at least bachelors degrees--often in technical fields--who are trained to use their minds, not their emotions, to evaluate circumstances and evidence, and who will follow the rules given to them by a judge precisely and fully.
What about urban civilian juries? The People of California versus Orenthal James Simpson.
I rest my case.
To: kattracks
Brooklyn federal Judge Charles Sifton barred the evidence, saying it could put jurors "on a road of speculation" that Kishk was going to turn a plane into a missile and "blow up a big building." What a bizarre decision. I think it is high time to start a listing of the worst federal judges in the US. Friedman will be on it.
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posted on
01/16/2002 5:57:02 AM PST
by
Hacksaw
To: Congressman Billybob
Truth and facts have no place in a court of LAW??? Who appointed this "alleged" judge?
To: sidegunner;expose;Alamo-Girl;DoughtyOne;FormerLurker;it'salmosttolate;freedom007;Mercuria;AnnaZ...
There was nothing phoney about the evidence.
This clown was ready to commit some terror and now he may get off completely.
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posted on
01/17/2002 3:26:58 PM PST
by
t-shirt
To: islamic_violence,harpseal,sabertooth
Just a coincidence, like the ground to air radio tranceiver the other Egyptian had in the room with view of the twin towers.
To: kattracks
What the fok is wrong with the World's Greatest Legal System? They must be scratching their heads in 200+ other countries! Every time you turn around some too-clever-by- half-judge throws criminal evidence out. Every crime is to be treated like some isolated cosmic event! Sheesh!
To: t-shirt
Thanks for the heads up!
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Comment #19 Removed by Moderator
To: Black Jade
The administration's proposal for these secret "military tribunals" amounts to an assault on the judiciary branch and a move toward one-branch rule, without the constitutional checks and balancesPure, pungent horse hockey, Chicken Little.
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