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How do they expect an 82 year old woman to stop her 50 year old son from dealing drugs? Why does she have to pay for his sins?
1 posted on 01/11/2002 10:44:31 PM PST by LloydofDSS
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To: LloydofDSS
The drug warriors on FR will come up with a bogus reason believe me.
2 posted on 01/11/2002 10:46:53 PM PST by weikel
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To: LloydofDSS
How do they expect an 82 year old woman to stop her 50 year old son from dealing drugs? Why does she have to pay for his sins?

I could be wrong here, but I'm thinking frail 82-year-old woman with brittle bones who's afraid of her 6-foot son...

3 posted on 01/11/2002 10:51:30 PM PST by butter pecan fan
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To: LloydofDSS
Is this the correct title for the article? Why didn't you provide a URL?
6 posted on 01/11/2002 11:03:32 PM PST by Moonman62
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To: LloydofDSS
There was a similar case in Pompano Beach Fla, about 15 years ago, but the woman wasn't even connected to her son's activities that closely. He had PAID for her condo with the proceeds (supposedly) of his drug deals, and they confiscated her condo because of it. She didn't even live with him, and she too was in her eighties. She probably, almost certainly, had no idea where the money came from, not many drug dealers tell their 80+ year old mothers what they do for a living. They should have at least let her live there until she passed away, if they wanted to be dicks about the whole thing.
7 posted on 01/11/2002 11:12:34 PM PST by Johnny_Apollo
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To: LloydofDSS
Government over-does it again... these stupid laws must be changed. Maybe media coverage can help....

punish the bad guys, not the people they force themselves upon.. this woman couldn't stop the guy if she wanted to, without shooting him.

8 posted on 01/11/2002 11:14:42 PM PST by GeronL
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To: LloydofDSS
In New York you are thrown out of public housing if there is drug dealing going on, even if you say you didn't know about it---too easy to say you didn't know when you did. ("What pit bull? I never even noticed that we have a dog. It doesn't bark, I know that much!")

Thanks to Rick Lazio I might add.

11 posted on 01/11/2002 11:32:54 PM PST by firebrand
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To: LloydofDSS
"How do they expect an 82 year old woman to stop her 50 year old son from dealing drugs?"

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12 posted on 01/11/2002 11:33:24 PM PST by capitan_refugio
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To: LloydofDSS
This is entirely ridiculous. To qualify as an act of criminality, that act must have at its heart an element of volition or control over the situation. In this case, an 82 year old woman lacks that capacity. The veil should be pierced on this one bringing personal suit for damages and punitive compensation agains the police, prosecutors, or others involved on the bases that they lose protection of their office by knowingly and willingly misapplied the law. Are there no competent attornys remaining in the country.t
13 posted on 01/11/2002 11:33:36 PM PST by RLK
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To: LloydofDSS
It's the new and improved, government-run "Stoolie Recruitment Program":

"Fink on the kid, grannie, or we take your house. Oh, and thank you for your kind cooperation."

14 posted on 01/11/2002 11:35:46 PM PST by CubicleGuy
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To: LloydofDSS
Society demands this woman lose her home so that taxpayers may support her now that she's homeless.

That's how it works these days.

15 posted on 01/12/2002 12:11:17 AM PST by The KG9 Kid
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To: LloydofDSS
This whole thing stinks to high heaven, to take property without a trial and conviction is against all basic tenets of the constitution. Whatever happened to this?

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated

Oh, that's right, the constitution is a living breathing document. My mistake, so sorry.

This is a crock, the constitution is there for a reason, and they just ignore it.

Whatever happened to the constitution? It seems to have gotten lost somewhere...
17 posted on 01/12/2002 12:38:31 AM PST by Aric2000
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To: LloydofDSS
How do they expect an 82 year old woman to stop her 50 year old son from dealing drugs?

The same way that the Unabomber's brother stopped the Unabomber from blowing up any more victims. Pick up the phone, call the Police and report the crime.

18 posted on 01/12/2002 12:55:58 AM PST by Polybius
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To: LloydofDSS;Johnny_Apollo
OK, Its just me stirring the pot! Me & sick $.01 of Humor..I just couldnt resist.
SPeaking of 15 years ago in Florida, There was a few of these making the rounds in the Key West area.

From the 4th ammendment to "Zero Tollerance" to property confication without due process, it is definatly a tangled web. Where will it end...INDEED.

Delta 21

21 posted on 01/12/2002 1:49:39 AM PST by Delta 21
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To: LloydofDSS
How do they expect an 82 year old woman to stop her 50 year old son from dealing drugs?

Let's see: She can't

I guess all she can do it put encouraging words on little post-it notes all over his room. ;-)

These confiscation laws are really un-American! They can't convict the guy of anything so they go after his mother!

30 posted on 01/12/2002 3:17:14 AM PST by SubMareener
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To: LloydofDSS
Her attorney, Jim Smith, likened the seizure to the widespread illegal taking of property and land from blacks that he says tarnishes America's past.

The first thing you want to do, in a case like this, is pull out the race card and hold it up for everyone to see.

33 posted on 01/12/2002 3:22:54 AM PST by chainsaw
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To: LloydofDSS
Isnt the Drug War great?

How much longer??? before you DRUG WAR FANATICS!! win this war?

so my taxes can be reduced, so I can get back my freedoms, so we have room for violent felons in prison, and so I can get the government to stop snooping on me??

(Things were so much simpler back when all drugs were legal, back when there was no drug-related crime, and the mafia was actually poor)

34 posted on 01/12/2002 3:24:12 AM PST by waterstraat
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Police records show 29 incidents of drug activity at the address since 1992 and authorities say drug dealers were caught numerous times fetching drugs from the house for street sales.

While I am no WOD crusader and I feel that convictionless seizures are an abomination of justice, it should be mentioned that this woman had many chances to do something about her son's behavior.

You can bet that if this was a white family in the suburbs who's kid was busted selling pot out of the house, that home would have been seized after incident numero uno.

40 posted on 01/12/2002 3:39:53 AM PST by Drew68
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To: LloydofDSS
Here is the entire story from the Athens newspaper.

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Police have long had the right under state and federal law to seize property if they can show it's linked to the illegal drug trade.

Athens-Clarke police have rarely moved to commandeer a house. Thursday, they seized a west Athens house owned by an 82-year-old widow neighbors call ''Ma,'' claiming she was knowingly letting her son use the property as a staging site for drug sales.

Police predicted more home forfeitures, as they look for fresh ways to end open drug dealing that still troubles some Athens neighborhoods.

''This community is why we're here today -- it's part of our problem-solving approach to policing the community,'' said Mike Hunsinger of the Athens-Clarke Police Drug and Vice Squad. ''I think we're going to see more of it.''

Fannie Gresham's attorney, Jim Smith, likened the police action to the widespread illegal theft of African-American real estate that tarnishes America's past.

''What they're doing is taking property from black folks,'' he said. ''They don't attack white folks.''

Under the watchful eyes of neighbors, officers entered the tiny Julius Drive home of Gresham and changed the locks. Police on Thursday also arrested Gresham's son, Tommie ''Top Dollar'' Gresham, 50, on a cocaine possession charge after he allegedly dropped several rocks of crack cocaine and fled the scene, returning later while police were still there.

His mother was at the hospital visiting a sick relative during the police operation, according to her attorney, who accused police of confiscating the home of an innocent old woman. Neighbors described her as a kindly lady who walked to a nearby church every Sunday for services.

''Right here is a good example of the state taking property'' without evidence, Smith said, videotaping the operation from the street. ''There's not any drugs in this house. They have never seized any drugs in this house. This lady is not accused of a single thing.''

The police complaint alleged the senior Gresham facilitated her son's alleged operation by allowing the house to become a hub of drug activity.

Some 29 incidents of drug activity have been noted at the address there since 1992, records show.

Police were armed with a court order issued by Superior Court Judge Stephen Boswell, who heard evidence in December of alleged drug activity at the property. Police say drug dealers were caught numerous times by police fetching drugs from the house for street-side sales, and running after cars to sell drugs to motorists. Boswell gave Gresham 14 days to move her belongings.

A hearing on the seizure is scheduled for February in Clarke Superior Court. Boswell signed the order as a visiting judge after the Western Judicial Circuit's three Superior Court judges recused themselves in the case.

Seized by the state government was a Jim Walter home that Gresham and her husband erected in the 1950s, paying for it partly with money from a job she held at a local poultry plant. Her husband Tom died in June.

The sudden lockdown at the address surprised at least one visitor, dropping off a package for Gresham, who she described as a lovely person and a good customer. The visitor found only an empty locked house.

''All I know is what I bring them,'' Mary Brake said.''It's prescription drugs.''

46 posted on 01/12/2002 3:47:21 AM PST by CFW
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75 posted on 01/12/2002 5:37:00 AM PST by Fish out of Water
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To: LloydofDSS
How do they expect an 82 year old woman to stop her 50 year old son from dealing drugs?

The same way we expect any other law abiding citizen to stop criminals from dealing drugs: drop a dime on them.

89 posted on 01/12/2002 6:29:29 AM PST by Whilom
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