Posted on 01/08/2002 11:26:17 AM PST by Joe Hadenuf
I was just curious. The officer had no right to do that though, did he?"
No, the officer had no reason nor right to do that.
Now, Mr. "Joe Hadenuf" would you please either be realistic, or crawl back in your hole
The officer did all that normally would be required. Unless the situation gave the officer additional details, (like he saw bomb materials in the car or the perp was hostile or the perp was under the influence). the perp in this case was well coached to not offer anything to call attention to himself.
Now if the license had biometric data that showed he was not the person he said he was, that would have been cause to bring him in. (But we are talking serious ID here) The problem with the traffic stop being a device to get terrorists is that we have to have stopped them before, put them on a watch list, and have a way to catch those using fradulent identification. (This is a tall order if we are also going to have as much freedom as we now have.)
I believe if data bases were sharred, (including interpol) and if these people used their real names (or we had some way to match them to the ID they were using) then we would have caught about half the perps. (Because at least this number had "records" or were on lists that someone had. In any event, this cop should be let off the hook.
I wonder if all the thousands of dead from the WTC and all the hundreds of others on the other aircraft, would agree with you, if they could only speak.
Most freeways I drive on here, that speed would get you ran over.
I'll let you wallow in peace, it's obnoxiously obvious that you don't give a damn.
The only reason this is a big deal is because he, along with Atta, were pulled over. Atta was pulled over in Florida and cited for driving without a license. So he and all the other terrorists in Fla. went and got valid Fla. licenses. In the meantime, Atta skipped his court hearing and had a bench warrant out for him up to Sept. 11. The point is that it is too easy for any foreign national to get a U.S. ID/drivers license which is used as a primary ID document.
The trooper didn't have access to all the information necessary.
Now, you may have read the earlier thread today - 6,000 M.E. men who have final deportation orders or who skipped their deportation hearings are the first of the 300,000 going into the FBI NCIC database, which local/state police have access to.
This should probably be expanded to include all visa overstayers, except of course the INS is so incompetent they have already blown through about $40 million trying to develop a computer system that can let them know who has overstayed their visas. Several of the Sept. 11 hijackers had overstayed (including Atta). I don't know if this guy was one of them, but if he was there was no way for that trooper to know it, and there likely won't be a way for police to know for several years, at least.
Is this Berkeley speak? Listen professor, my first response to this article was this is just more proof, that our immigration policies are a complete "free for all". See post number one, professor. Read it slowly.
Looking back however, I noticed that you decided not to comment on that!
That was my first point, that *if* our immigration policies were not an absolute "free for all" the chances of this murdering SOB driving 90 MPH on our highways may not have ever occurred.
But you can get all hung up on weather on not the police officer had any right to do anything or not.
My point was that this is just a result of our open border, immigration madess.
I'll let you wallow in peace, it's obnoxiously obvious that you don't give a damn about who in the hell is in this country. Oh, and since this is a family forum / ..-. ..- .- ... ... .... .-.. . professor. Wow :o
You avoiding the real issues is even more revealing than my predictability :o
no hard feelings - My appologies for Missing your point.
An A-rab, an alien, is pulled over in a rental car doing *90* mph days before Sept 11. He went on to be one of the Flt 93 terrorists. Correct: hindsight is 20/20, but my question is this: for months now we have seen a parade of authors and experts and people who served on government committees who throughout the 90's warned us time and time again of the threat Bin Laden and Islam are to our nation. I gotta believe that it was a failure of the Clinton administration to not bring this to the highest level of attention possible for federal and for all law enforcement.
Back to the dude doing 90: I say ANYONE doing 90 should be in a heap-o'-trouble. And not a citizen...? And in a rental car...?
I just hope---or wish or fanticize, because I doubt it will happen---that we apply common sense to airport and homeland security.
Well gg, if they were serious about *our* homeland security, they would start with our out of control immigration policies and our bleeding borders. Shut the door with an immigration moritorium, and find out who in the hell is in the house.
I think you meant “whether”.
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I won't be happy until they add ALL the illegals from north and especially south of the border too.
I worked for many years in a drug and alcohol rehab. Many of our "regular" clients" were Black Muslims courtesy of the NY prison system.It used to break me up. They came in high and drunk (in violation of their expressed religion) but refused to eat a pancake if it was on the same plate as a sausage...
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