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ABC News ^ | 1/4/2 | ABCNews.com

Posted on 01/05/2002 1:56:21 AM PST by ImphClinton

N E W Y O R K, Jan. 4 — An American Airlines passenger says he believes an Arab-American Secret Service agent who was kicked off a Christmas Day flight was targeted because of his ethnicity.

"I feel he was most likely removed from the plane — obviously I wasn't privy to the paperwork or that he was a Secret Service [agent] or such — but I think he fit a profile," the passenger, Mark Pueschel, said today on ABCNEWS' Good Morning America.

Pueschel had been seated next to the agent as the American Airlines flight prepared to take off from Baltimore to Dallas. The agent, who was armed, was on his way to work at President Bush's ranch in Crawford, Texas. He was removed from the flight after the captain questioned the validity of his credentials.

Pueschel contacted the Council of Arab-American Relations after seeing a press release on the incident.

Bush 'Madder Than Heck' If Discrimination Seen

Bush told reporters last week he would be "madder than heck" if a government inquiry into the incident found that one of his Secret Service protectors was the victim of discrimination.

The agent demanded an apology from the airline through his attorneys at a news conference Thursday. The agent, whose identity has not been released, did not attend because he was on a security detail and not available for comment in person, his attorneys said. They read a statement in which he said he did not have a vendetta against American Airlines.

"It has never been my desire to make this incident personal," the statement said. "This case is only about the facts. I love my job, and I want to thank my fellow agents for all their support. God bless America."

American Airlines officials have said the agent was removed at the pilot's request because of "inconsistencies" in the paperwork he filed that is required of all federal agents flying on commercial airlines. Religion and ethnicity, American Airlines said, had nothing to do with his removal.

The pilot also released a statement saying the agent was "confrontational" and "abusive."

Christy Lopez, an attorney for the agent, said the agent was a victim of discrimination: "We believe the captain is using that as an excuse for taking him off the plane, but it is quite clear he took him off the plane for other reasons."

The agent has not ruled out filing a lawsuit against American Airlines, Lopez said. He still seeks an amicable resolution of the incident, but he wants airline officials to review their practices so no one else is victimized, she said.

Airline Calls Accusation 'Frivolous'

In a statement, American Airlines called the agent's claims "frivolous" and supported the pilot's actions, saying they were based on concerns for the security and safety of the passengers and crew.

"American carries out its security obligations according to the guidelines provided by the federal government," the airline's statement said. "Those guidelines are applied equally among all passengers, and the company vigorously resents any suggestion of racial discrimination."


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To: Glenn
but I think he fit a profile,"

the agent DOES fit a profile: a STATISTICAL profile, not a RACIAL profile.

i think bush should stay out of it. this thing has to run its course, with SAFETY of the passengers a priority. i hate the fact that they have made this political fodder.

41 posted on 01/05/2002 3:55:02 AM PST by wildwood
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To: Trust but Verify
Excuse me, but I read the following in a post above:

All I want is an apology from the Pilot. He should have called the Whitehouse. He had 90 minutes to do so and only one "problem" passenger. He called other people. The White House Phone number is no secret. He was either too lazy to bother or had alterior motives.

Also I note that you wonder if I was there to witness this, and then proceed to say that the airline personnel were out of line making claims about the agents rudeness. I wasn't there to see it, were you? Note that in this statement from the agent, an allusion is being cast as the pilot being "too lazy". Surely these words were meant to clear up a misunderstanding in the public eye.

Another item is that the agent claims the White House number is no secret, he does not say that he provided the number to the pilot in anyway.

As to your next post, yes the pilot does have the right and the authority to prevent any passenger from boarding his aircraft. Would you want it any other way?

42 posted on 01/05/2002 3:56:31 AM PST by Brad C.
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To: Brad C.
Actually, I would want the pilot to have a damn good reason for doing so. In the whole time that aircraft sat at the gate, the airline employees were looking for ways to EXCLUDE him from the flight, not to INCLUDE him on it.
43 posted on 01/05/2002 4:00:57 AM PST by Trust but Verify
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To: Trust but Verify
So lets flip it around a little bit. Say the pilot does not have the right to deny boarding, and you are a passenger on the aircraft. The pilot, being very uncomfortable about a passenger, refuses to fly the plane. He does so by annoucing his concern over the intercom, without naming names or indentifying the problem. He then tells the passengers that another pilot is being dispatched to take over the flight.

Me, I would get off the plane with the pilot, how about you?

44 posted on 01/05/2002 4:09:04 AM PST by Brad C.
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To: Trust but Verify
BTW, I did not see a comment in regards to those kind warm things the agent said about the pilot.
45 posted on 01/05/2002 4:11:15 AM PST by Brad C.
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To: ImphClinton
As soon as it was learned that the SS man contacted a law firm for the purpose of bringing suit against the airlines in question he became guilty in my eyes. I have no doubt he was at fault, nor do I have any doubt that he recieved a lot of pressure from his peers and those in command to drop the idea of a civil suit. Any true SS man would have had the matter handled descretely instead of making it the media circus it is.

My only hope is that in doing what he did, we will not all be once again put at risk because the airlines are afraid to profile arabs.Remember it was arabs that caused 911 and all subsequent terror attempts since then.And I personally will never, ever completly trust another arab, say what you will about my stance but I would be willing to bet I am in the majority not the minority.

God Bless America

46 posted on 01/05/2002 4:14:13 AM PST by JustAnAmerican
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To: Nitro
$20 says the agent is lying and he ends up getting ditched!

$100 says that if the agent were white, all the other facts were the same, and the press had covered this from a "gun control" angle, the USSS agent would have had unanimous support on FreeRepublic.

47 posted on 01/05/2002 4:22:24 AM PST by Physicist
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To: mystery-ak
"Jim Angle of Fox News reported the other night that SS agents are provided a phone number to give pilots or authorities at airports(direct link) when their paperwork is questioned(he says it happens all the time). I usually takes 5min to clear up the situation. Angle said, this pilot refused to do so thinking it was a phony number and whoever would answer would be a friend/cohort of the supposed agent. He didn't even try."

Given all that happened on 911, and all we have learned since then, would you have automatically assumed the number he gave you to be genuine? Since we know the terrorists are capable of forging most documents, should the pilot have just taken this mans word that it was genuine?

The one question that I have heard asked but not answered many times on this forum is was the SS man a Christan arab or a Muslim one? Amazing how little we know.

God Bless America

48 posted on 01/05/2002 4:27:22 AM PST by JustAnAmerican
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To: ImphClinton
Obviously the seat mate didn't know anything but let's put him on TV anyway......sounds a lot like the typical pronoucements from the lamestream media.
49 posted on 01/05/2002 4:28:14 AM PST by OldFriend
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To: ImphClinton
American Airlines is doing its best to cover their asses and the pilot's as well. Having been a victim of their poor service and rude employees on more than a few occasions before 9-11, my opinion is that American Airlines employees screwed up again, this time they just messed with someone who was more than just your average Joe.

And they could have avoided it all with a simple phonbe call. Unfortunately, American Airlines apparently has lots of sympathisers here, no doubt because of the wave of anti-Muslim, anti-Arab sentiment which is intense amongst the posters here, but fortunately not in the American public as a whole. The American public as a whole gets the concept that a small minority of Muslims are radical terrorists, not the entire Arab/Muslim world.

50 posted on 01/05/2002 4:28:29 AM PST by RussianBear716
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To: ImphClinton
I notice that the article doesn't give any more information about Mark Pueschel. I wonder if this guy would withstand some further scrutiny. In other words, does Mr. Pueschel have an axe to grind? If not, and he's telling the truth, then good for him for coming forward. But I can't believe that no-one did some backround on him.
51 posted on 01/05/2002 4:35:59 AM PST by mewzilla
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To: ImphClinton
". . .obviously I wasn't privy to the paperwork or that he was a Secret Service [agent] or such — but I think he fit a profile," the passenger, Mark Pueschel, said today "

. . .his first observation 'he wasn't privy to the paperwork', renders this pasengers conclusion of 'ethnic profiling', null and void.

But that does not matter to the Lib press, who will insist on offering 'irrelevancies' to inflame public opinion.

Context is everything; and the fact that he was Arab-American or looking just 'ME' surely added to the context (basic commonsense would hope this is the case as well.

See convulutions of hypocrisy here on behalf of the Libs; and while they make think they are making points; think they are losing the big game here. . .

GW could lose a bit here as well, if he fails or refuses to recognize the context of security. . .

At the least, President Bush could have offered, that if an agent of his Secret Service caused a problem. . .he would be 'madder than heck' as well.

52 posted on 01/05/2002 4:36:50 AM PST by cricket
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To: RussianBear716
Hey, that ss agent wouldn't be so tough without his badge and gun....just kidding. I really think this will boil down to a battle of ego's with mistakes made on both sides. As an aside, think of this. This SS agent passed through security and still the Captain is concerned about his identity. Shows what kind of faith the airline employees have of the airport security folks.
53 posted on 01/05/2002 4:38:22 AM PST by USNBandit
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To: Physicist
Wrong, the USSS got a lawyer first, that shows me he wasn't true in the first place!!

All else is CNN!

54 posted on 01/05/2002 4:39:05 AM PST by Nitro
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To: RussianBear716
Read what the pilot had to say. If the agent was
acting as stated, considering the name AMERICAN on the
side of the plane (whose planes hit WTC along with United's?)
can't say as I blame his actions.

Anyone think the FAA descending on that AA flight to
have everyone rechecked may have been a response?
The agent was reported to say he would "get them".

Also, in the report I read, the AA person at the SOC was 1000
miles away and didn't know the ethnicity of the agent until after the fact.

55 posted on 01/05/2002 4:41:25 AM PST by DMC_in_IOWA
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To: cricket
There is another thread that says the pilot actually asked a total of five men to exit the plane for further security checks. All of them appeared to be arab.
56 posted on 01/05/2002 4:42:50 AM PST by Brad C.
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To: Nitro
Why don't you call the White House? Probably for the same reason "the pilot" didn't, you won't get through!!

You are right. You can't get through.

I'm amazed that people think it is so easy to get through to the Whitehouse.

Barbara Olsen and her husband were trying to report a plane being hijacked and they had trouble getting through to the right people in the government, let alone some pilot. As it was the government sent planes from a military base too far from the Pentagon to do any good, instead of using planes from the base 10 miles away.

57 posted on 01/05/2002 4:43:36 AM PST by FR_addict
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To: Nitro
Wrong, the USSS got a lawyer first, that shows me he wasn't true in the first place!!

If he were white, you'd never have batted an eyelash at it.

58 posted on 01/05/2002 4:45:24 AM PST by Physicist
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To: dennisw
RE post 3 : The captain made a decision to keep ths gun carrying person off the airplane because he was confrontational and beligerant. Sounds like the agent needs sensitivity training. Since middle Easterners have killed so many people in the United States since 9/1/01 the Captain was perfectly correct in rechecking this man's credentials. If I fly again I would like to fly with this Captain rather than be on a flight that turns the controls of the airplane over to Middle Eastern people.
59 posted on 01/05/2002 4:46:33 AM PST by southland
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To: Brad C.
Did I say the pilot has no right to deny boarding>? No. I said they better have a good reason besides 'he fit the profile'. There are going to be a lot of people who outwardly 'fit the profile'. Why not just make an annoucement right now that if you are a middle-eastern lokking male, don't eve ntry to board a plane.

If we get a terrorist attack by the IRA, are we going to start bumping Irish-looking people or people with Irish surnames from flights?

60 posted on 01/05/2002 4:48:41 AM PST by Trust but Verify
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