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Pilot at fault used Profiling against SS Agent
CNN - Crossfire Transscript 1/4/2 ^ | 1/4/02 | Self

Posted on 01/04/2002 9:34:45 PM PST by ImphClinton

Edited on 04/29/2004 1:59:53 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Here's one from Karen who's from upstate, New York. Big territory. "Bill, I almost always agree with you, but you are really wrong on this one. The pilot did exactly the right thing. And anyone who believes a government ID cannot be forged is living in a fantasy."


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To: Cultural Jihad
He apparently cares more about his own wounded pride than in service to his nation or to the POTUS.

I get the feeling he cares more about money than anything else. I smell something fishy here.

141 posted on 01/05/2002 2:42:46 AM PST by He Rides A White Horse
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To: coloradan, Cultural Jihad
Apparently the agent incorrectly filled out paperwork for carrying the gun a total of three times - twice after being asked to correct it.

This is my understanding also................three times?........it's as if he was determined to get tossed, putting himself in a position to file a big bucks lawsuit.

142 posted on 01/05/2002 2:46:19 AM PST by He Rides A White Horse
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To: ImphClinton
This is Airline Arrogance gone amock.

You responses are political correctness run amock.

The pilots main consideration is the safety of his passengers, not to some stupid liberal agenda that dictates that it is acceptable to get a planeload of people killed so as not to hurt somebody's feelings.

143 posted on 01/05/2002 2:54:06 AM PST by He Rides A White Horse
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To: Cultural Jihad
Yeah, we know. You can look inside the mind of the pilot and know that his hidden motive was that he was a bigot, but the other passenger was NOT a member of the DNC or ACLU or LP with a hidden agenda.

Yes, this gets to the crux of the matter. Did the pilot say something specific to implicate "racial profiling"? If not, how would these passengers be able to know what he was thinking? Sorry, it just doesn't make sense.

144 posted on 01/05/2002 2:54:36 AM PST by UberVernunft
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To: babygene
I'm sure if he had been a hijacker and the plane had gone down every one would blame the pilot for letting him on...

The difference is that we would never hear about it. We would have just another plane crashing into some building or blowing up somewhere.

145 posted on 01/05/2002 2:57:14 AM PST by UberVernunft
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To: ImphClinton
As I said it is seldom that you guys are out of touch with the truth. But none of you have posted anything that makes me think anything other that this pilot is a biggot. If he believed this was a fake agent he should have called the White House and he didn't. I believe he wanted to hurt Bush and thought this just might do it.

You have no idea what you are talking about. Read the reports submitted by the pilot and the Control Manager. Think closely about what has taken place and try to make some sense.

146 posted on 01/05/2002 2:59:06 AM PST by UberVernunft
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To: Howlin
One other thing that bothered me: in this day and time, this "atmosphere," if you will, why on EARTH would this guy be carrying a textbook about the history of Islam? I mean, if I know not to carry that onboard, why wouldn't a Secret Service agent have the sense not to????

Kind of ironic. This so called SS agent seemed to lack common sense in just about everything he did on the flight and subsequently. Now that he has made such a public spectacle of himself he has compromised his security status. The pilot was just doing his job, while this "agent" has basically spit in the face of the POTUS.

147 posted on 01/05/2002 3:05:54 AM PST by UberVernunft
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To: ImphClinton
No one at AA even claim they tried to verify this man's identity other than having him fill out forms

This is wrong. Read the report of the control manager.

148 posted on 01/05/2002 3:08:44 AM PST by UberVernunft
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To: UberVernunft
I read the reports closely very closely. They were not at all consistant. They said they supected him because of 911 and Arab materials then said they didn't know he was Arab. They said they did not Racial Profile then went on to talk about the Arab looking book. The Pilot didn't say the agent was argumentitive until the SCO suggested he check with the Whitehouse. The Pilot refused to check with the Whitehouse. He refused to check with the Police that are there and his own security people to verify this man's idendity. Do you really think it is all right to kick this guy off a plane just be cause he has an Arab book and looks Arab. Even though he has a very authentic looking badge and credentials. Has cleared checkpoints with a gun and has paperwork for the gun. You just kick him off without even checking with his easy to find boss.

I guess in your mind we should send them all back to the Mid East.

The Pilot has a job to do but so did this Agent. In my opinion the security of the Nation is more important than the security of one plane. And this pilot would not even call a local number to verify him. Not even call it to see if it would be answered. Not check with Directory Assistance just in case the White House had a listed number.

149 posted on 01/05/2002 3:18:09 AM PST by ImphClinton
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To: ImphClinton
Even John Walker sort of looks Abab to me.

Based on the content of your previous posts this makes about as much sense.

150 posted on 01/05/2002 3:18:58 AM PST by UberVernunft
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To: DoughtyOne
This is nothing more than an attempt by the left to bring PC pressure down upon the pilot of this plane. Personnaly, I do not like to see the pilot "second guessed" by Press or his ilk. Next time the pilot might yield to the pressure and seat a marginal passenger who has genecidal tendencies.

Press is a heartless Democrat who has argued vehimately against vouchers (= better schools and educations) for poor, inner city minority children. He has an agenda and a smile but no heart.

151 posted on 01/05/2002 3:20:44 AM PST by The_Media_never_lie
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To: UberVernunft
One other thing that bothered me: in this day and time, this "atmosphere," if you will, why on EARTH would this guy be carrying a textbook about the history of Islam? I mean, if I know not to carry that onboard, why wouldn't a Secret Service agent have the sense not to????

Maybe so he could protect the President better against these people. DUH -- By the way it was Mid Eastern History not Islam although Islam would be part of that.

152 posted on 01/05/2002 3:21:24 AM PST by ImphClinton
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To: ImphClinton
But none of you have posted anything that makes me think anything other that this pilot is a biggot.

Actually this tends to highlight your irrational thinking. Although I believe the pilot was justified in booting this so called SS agent off his flight, no one can possibly read his mind in determining how important profiling was a part of his decision making.

153 posted on 01/05/2002 3:25:30 AM PST by UberVernunft
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To: ImphClinton
Help me out here. You've been a member of FR for three years, and you still watch CNN and side with communists like Bill Press. I'm having a little trouble figuring out just what you're doing on FR. Clue me in just a little if you don't mind.
154 posted on 01/05/2002 3:28:15 AM PST by Twodees
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To: ImphClinton
They said they supected him because of 911 and Arab materials then said they didn't know he was Arab

"They" suspected him as in the pilot? So you mean the pilot? The person that "didn't know he was Arab" was the control manager 1000 miles away. This was previously addressed by someone else. You're totally clueless.

155 posted on 01/05/2002 3:30:20 AM PST by UberVernunft
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To: ImphClinton
Maybe so he could protect the President better against these people. DUH

"One other thing that bothered me: in this day and time, this "atmosphere," if you will, why on EARTH would this guy be carrying a textbook about the history of Islam? I mean, if I know not to carry that onboard, why wouldn't a Secret Service agent have the sense not to????"

The comments you're quoting above aren't mine -- DUH.

156 posted on 01/05/2002 3:32:20 AM PST by UberVernunft
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To: The_Media_never_lie
Press is a heartless Democrat who has argued vehimately against vouchers (= better schools and educations) for poor, inner city minority children. He has an agenda and a smile but no heart.

I agree, however, Thruseday he was all for the Pilot and against this SS Agent. Gleeful that Bush could be shown standing up for the wrong guy. Friday he says it is Unfornate but it looks like the Pilot was at fault. No one here has found anything different than this except for AA propeganda which is very poorly written and very conflictatory and never answers the most basic question. Why was the White House not called and notified that an Agent was supposedly posing as SS Agent. Do they have no responsibility to the flying public at all to keep armed terroist away from planes. Which is what must have been assuming. If they really thought he was a terroist Why didn't they call in the FBI. Or the Secret Service. Or Customs or someone. Surely people are at BWI for these kind of problems. They shut other airports down when a man got a fake gun on a plane why not when a man gets a real gun on a plane???

157 posted on 01/05/2002 3:32:50 AM PST by ImphClinton
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To: ImphClinton
I guess in your mind we should send them all back to the Mid East.

Stop projecting and kindly take your bigotry elsewhere.

158 posted on 01/05/2002 3:33:22 AM PST by UberVernunft
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To: Howlin
"There is no indication that he leaked the story."

ROFLMAO. Surely you don't believe that.

The first thing the agent did was call an Islamic group.

Yes, and I suppose in addition to the mysterious "leaker" from the flight incident there was another one from CAIR going to the media. Uh, right.

159 posted on 01/05/2002 3:40:51 AM PST by UberVernunft
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To: Twodees
Help me out here. You've been a member of FR for three years, and you still watch CNN and side with communists like Bill Press. I'm having a little trouble figuring out just what you're doing on FR. Clue me in just a little if you don't mind.

First of All Press and Carlton agreed that this pilot was in the wrong. Secondly I watch to see Carlton kick Press's butt. Thirdly I believe most of us here fight for the truth not for some Right Wing Agenda. I do not understand why you are against the President on this he is supporting his agent. Are you a Pilot?

160 posted on 01/05/2002 3:43:44 AM PST by ImphClinton
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