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Pilot at fault used Profiling against SS Agent
CNN - Crossfire Transscript 1/4/2 ^ | 1/4/02 | Self

Posted on 01/04/2002 9:34:45 PM PST by ImphClinton

Edited on 04/29/2004 1:59:53 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Here's one from Karen who's from upstate, New York. Big territory. "Bill, I almost always agree with you, but you are really wrong on this one. The pilot did exactly the right thing. And anyone who believes a government ID cannot be forged is living in a fantasy."


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To: newsperson999
Just how many people do you think will be on that flight?

Whorealdo would.

101 posted on 01/05/2002 12:02:28 AM PST by Cobra64
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To: McGavin999
Even the agent's supervisor admitted the agent lost his temper.

NO the AA CSO claimed his unnamed suprevisor said this.

Personally I found this part more interesting.

The Captain had a concern about a passenger onboard his flight. The Captain first requested a fax containing all wanted terrorist photos that American had available. ... The Captain said that we should not use his information because he could have a friend answering the phone when we called. I then suggested get the local police to verify the I.D. since, being located at BWI, they would have exposure to Secret Service I.D.’s and contact phone numbers. The next phone call I received was from the AA ticket agent at BWI. He said that the Secret Service agent had verbally abused the Captain and that the Captain was denying him boarding.

Only after the SOC suggest calling the Whitehouse did the agent become "abusive"

Then this gem

He then stated that the agent was of Middle Eastern descent. I explained to the superior that I did not know this and that there was no discrimination in the denied boarding process with SOC.

Right, now let me get this straight. He is asked for terrorist pictures (we all know they are almost all arabs after 9/11) and he doesn't know this agent is of Middle Eastern descent. Even though the steward(ess) found a Mid-Eastern Histroy book. Dosen't pass the smell test.

102 posted on 01/05/2002 12:08:00 AM PST by ImphClinton
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To: ImphClinton
Secret Service guy had a chip on his shoulder and an attitude. To think that the pilot was a racist Arab hater is a ridiculous stupid assanine leap of leftist logic. Bulls$#t. GW is wrong.
103 posted on 01/05/2002 12:11:42 AM PST by Outraged
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To: ImphClinton
I seriously doubt Bill Press would have reversed himself without very compeling evidence.

That further illuminates a flaw in your ability at reason.

104 posted on 01/05/2002 12:14:51 AM PST by Outraged
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To: Howlin
The only agenda I have is the truth. I generally feel that racial bias is not done all that much. However I have witnessed it oft times. Right here it seems to me you are assuming this Agent is wrong even though common sense says an Agent is more reliable than a Pilot. Even though he turned out to be an Agent you seem to think he should be fired. Seems reason enough to me to file suit. This is a conservative board my screen name proves I hate Clinton and DemocRATS. Yet even here this agent is not given a fair shake and everyone assumes he is guilty until proven innocent.

I generally agree with 99.9% of what I read here seeing no need to post. When I do post I check my facts first and generally by then some one has beaten me to it as I am on a slow modem.

But in this case you are wrong. I have been reading this board for far longer than you guy's for the most part.

105 posted on 01/05/2002 12:16:58 AM PST by ImphClinton
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To: ImphClinton
Did you flunk reading? The SOC was 1,000 miles away. The pilot asked for pictures of terrorists, are you saying ALL TERRORISTS ARE ARAB? Is that what you're saying?
106 posted on 01/05/2002 12:22:05 AM PST by McGavin999
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To: Outraged
I watched this and it was obvious that Bill Press was quite upset that it turned out that this Pilot was wrong. "Of course, Karen, the more we hear about this, I'm sorry to say, the more we realize that the pilot in fact was wrong. And I think the final proof of it is that after the pilot kicked whom he thought was a phony Secret Service agent off his plane, he did not call the White House or the Secret Service to say, "Hey, there's somebody running around with a gun and a badge and ID and papers, who's claiming to be a Secret Service agent." The pilot should just apologize. "

This and the fact that no one else reported on it today shows that the liberals realized they had not caught Bush on this one and that Bush would win. The Airlines own statement is the strongest statement of their own guilt.

107 posted on 01/05/2002 12:24:06 AM PST by ImphClinton
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To: ImphClinton
his and the fact that no one else reported on it today shows that the liberals realized they had not caught Bush on this one and that Bush would win. The Airlines own statement is the strongest statement of their own guilt.

Oh PULEEZ! Bush has nothing to do with this. He doesn't even have anything to do with hiring this incompetent secret service agent.

108 posted on 01/05/2002 12:26:20 AM PST by McGavin999
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To: McGavin999
are you saying ALL TERRORISTS ARE ARAB?

All 20 on 9/11 were. 99% are. This man even 1000 miles away would have assumed correctly unless told otherwize that this man was mid-eastern. Thus his statement is a lie and I do not believe anything else on it.

Just how many non-arab terrorist have you heard about recently? Even John Walker sort of looks Abab to me.

109 posted on 01/05/2002 12:28:50 AM PST by ImphClinton
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To: Outraged
LOL, using CNN as a source does weaken the guy's arguement :o)
110 posted on 01/05/2002 12:29:01 AM PST by McGavin999
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To: McGavin999
Contra -- Bush said "There would be hell to pay if racial bias was used to kick this man off the plane."

It was used and I pray Bush keeps his promise.

111 posted on 01/05/2002 12:31:46 AM PST by ImphClinton
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To: ImphClinton
even though common sense says an Agent is more reliable than a Pilot

Total BS. What EVER would make you assert something like that?

BTW, gratuitous capitalization makes me insane. Stop it, please.

112 posted on 01/05/2002 12:32:41 AM PST by Howlin
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To: ImphClinton
Just what kind of a racist are you? This pilot acted based on actions, the agent was nervous, incapable of filling out a form correctly that any secret service agent would have filled out dozens of times before, lost his temper, acted unprofessionally. His race was only one small portion of the pilots judgement. Now you're not only accusing the pilot of being a racist, you're accusing a man 1,000 miles away of being one too. Was the cop a racist too? What about the ticket agent? She one too?

If you ask me your immediate assumption that all terrorist must be Arab says you're more of a racist then the AA employees.

113 posted on 01/05/2002 12:34:52 AM PST by McGavin999
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To: ImphClinton
Me too, especially if it turns out that this agent is capitalizing on his race to try to hang onto his job.
114 posted on 01/05/2002 12:36:09 AM PST by McGavin999
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To: ImphClinton
[Racial profiling] was used ....

President Bush has said he'd be "madder than heck" if his USSS agent was booted because of racial profiling, but has not said how mad he'd be if his USSS agent was booted for abusive or unprofessional conduct.

Frankly, America is getting tired of your kind of whiney excuses which liberals like to use.

115 posted on 01/05/2002 12:39:16 AM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: ImphClinton
Bill Press was quite upset that it turned out that this Pilot was wrong.

To credit Bill Press, discredits you my friend. A little advice, Bill Press says black, go white.

Just in case your delusion has any more cracks in it, let me say that Bill Clinton's Impeachment was about pattern sexual harassment, oath violation, obstruction of justice and perjury. Al Gore was really the thief who would steal an election. The Florida recount bulls#$t, was just that, a big scam. Black voters being disenfranchised in Florida - bulls#$t. Old folks couldn't figure out the butterfly ballot - bulls#$t. Clinton created the economy - bulls#$t. Kosovo was about stopping a mass-murderer - bulls#$t. Just in case you have sucked down the line and sinker with that hook.

116 posted on 01/05/2002 12:40:48 AM PST by Outraged
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To: McGavin999
Actually I believe AA's own statements prove this agents case better than CNN's.

In fact I believe that CNN was trying to show the Pilot was correct in throwing him off the plane. This caused Bush damage as Bush said he would defend his agent. Press simply played Devils Advocate on the first show. Tucker tried to make out like this agent was only after money. The lawyer said any money won would be donated to the 9/11 victims.

Recently CNN has been trying to at least appear somewhat un-biased and this is whY I believe Press corrected himself and cleared the Agent.

How do you explain the Pilot not alerting the Whitehouse that there might be a fake agent at BWI with a gun trying to board airplanes. Did he not know that BWI stands for Baltimore Washington International and was only 20 miles from the Whitehouse. This CSO was 1000 miles away and only contacted the White House after this Agent spent hours at the Airport being kicked off one plane because of mechanical problems then a second because of pilot problems. I don't imagine it ever occured to this agent that the Pilot would never do the right thing and verify who he was considering the Whitehouse was so near.

117 posted on 01/05/2002 12:43:00 AM PST by ImphClinton
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To: Outraged
ROTFLMCO Wish I'd said that!
118 posted on 01/05/2002 12:43:25 AM PST by McGavin999
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To: ImphClinton
I watched this and it was obvious that Bill Press was quite upset ...

You come here quoting Bill Press of all people. Get a life. You are only embarrassing yourself.


"Thanks, ImphClinton, for carrying my excess baggage."

119 posted on 01/05/2002 12:44:43 AM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: McGavin999
:^D...call it inspiration.
120 posted on 01/05/2002 12:46:50 AM PST by Outraged
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