Seriously.
Posted on 12/24/2001 9:31:44 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
I saw the movie on Saturday night… the latest show of the night… 8:00
The theater scene…. The show was sold out… I had pre-purchased the tickets… We showed up in line about an hour before the film started and were about 50-people back from the front of the line. With me was my brother, who read the books a few times long ago, and a girl-friend that had never read them. Everyone liked it… I was not able to talk about it coherently immediately afterwards. I hope I can now.
I was stunned to see that there were a few small children in line, both because of the subject, and because of the lateness and length of the show. There was one woman with an infant and a toddler. I don’t think I hid very well my looks of disdain at her decision to bring them. I don’t understand parents that set their children up to fail. No way would they be able to sit quietly very long.
I mentioned to my brother that the composition of the line was predominantly adult and “normal” looking. He said – “Yeah, but did you see the people that are outside?” I had not. We were approached by a Kurt-Cobain-type teenager coming out of the prior show, who bummed a smoke before telling us that the movie was awesome and that when they let us in we better “bum-rush” through the crowd to get a good seat. I thanked him for his advice, but told him we were much too old to “bum-rush” anyone.
THE MOVIE
Starting off with a RANT? – How rude!
I guess my review is going to begin with a nit-pick. I did not feel at home immediately, unlike the reports of other Freepers. When the intro began I felt that the images were changing too fast for me to study them and too dark and evil for the start. I wanted to pause it. I was thinking OH NO.
I would not have shown the dark history graphically at the start of the movie… because I think it robbed the movie of the innocence that exists in Hobbiton at the start of the Fellowship. A reader that has transitioned from the Hobbit into the Lord of the Rings has not seen those things yet. The first black riders are not fully understood by the hobbits until later. The hobbits only knew that they were REALLY BAD. Only Frodo could sense that his ring was what was drawing them, and only after meeting up with Aragorn did they learn what the ringwraiths really were.
I think the movie played right from the perspective of the hobbits, but the film audience would have been better off if we didn’t know it all yet either. In the book, we knew the ring was magic, we knew that it had powers that may be dangerous, we learn that Gandolf suspects it is something far more dangerous than anyone ever dreamed. We know that Gandolf wants it out of the Shire, but Sauron and Isildur’s bane are hints and whispers that are slowly explained throughout the first book, either told by Gandolf, or Aragorn, or Elrond from the safety of Rivendell. I spent the beginning of the film after the intro trying to clear my mind again and regain the innocence, but you can’t really.
OK – NOW the RAVE
Who was outstanding?
Frodo captured my heart. His eyes expressed enormous depth in his joy and laughter, and in the honest naivety of dutifully taking on such a burden. You can see the weight begin to build as his understanding of the enormity of the task comes over him in waves, all through his eyes as if no words needed to be spoken. That role was such a tall order, and he was so beyond perfect. Sam was also very good, but not as developed in the film yet.
Legolas was THE elf…. He was so incredibly beautiful and so shockingly deadly with his bow. His speed and beauty and grace were captivating.
Aragorn was exactly right. He is the man women want. I would follow him anywhere, trust him completely with both my life and my heart, and adore him for his rough edges that would make my father nervous.
In fact, none of the characters were wrong.
I haven’t bonded with Merry and Pippen yet, but we won’t really get to bond with them until they are drug along by the orcs, and their role in the film will really begin when they escape and meet Treebeard and the ents. I would have bonded more with them at this point had the movie lingered longer in the early story.
Gandolf is credible and very much like my vision, and Gimli was good for the shortened role he got.
Boromir has more muscle in the book, plowing through the snow like a great bear and fighting off more orcs than one man could expect to beat. His sheer strength was worth taking him along on the trip, even if we couldn’t really trust him, we would be safe as long as Aragorn was around to keep Boromir in check.
Arwen was lyrical to listen to and beautiful as well as strong. I don’t have a quarrel with her expanded role except that there was no time for us to get up to speed. The depth of her love for Aragorn and the enormity of her sacrifice seemed like to much to give up after only a few minutes of relationship screen time. It seemed rushed, but was played with such sincerity that I was able to assume there had been more to the story that we did not have the privilege to see.
I was disappointed in Galadriel. She was not lyrical to listen to, but rather an actor reciting lines that she did not feel in her heart.
I did not miss Tom Bombadil, and some of you know how big of a statement that is for me. Clearly a high-point of the book, he would never have been developed enough to fit in at the rapid pace this film was moving at.
I would have told the story with more background, more film, and less orc-fighting. There will be more than enough time for orc-fighting in the next two books. I would have slowed it down to capture more of the back-story that brought all of these cultures together to fight as a fellowship for such a seemingly impossible goal. Had I not read the books, one may never understand how complex and individually grand all these characters are.
Overall it was great, and I look forward to seeing it again. I wish I had already seen it twice before writing this to be sure of the accuracy of my first impression, but I may not have time again until next week.
Cool! I hope you enjoyed it.
I thought that a lot was unexplained and that in many ways the movie was difficult to follow without a definative plot. I understand that the plot is drawn out through the three movies though.
The plot of the movie is to destroy the One Ring. As you can see, they still have a way to go. Yes, there will be two more movies to come. Each being released around Christmas of 2002 and 2003.
I have some questions that some of you Tolkein fans can probably answer.
(1) What happened to the Ring Wraiths? In one scene Strider/Aragorn says that you can't kill them and then Arwen goes ahead and does away with them by causing a flood (how'd she do that by the way? Are elves all sorcerers or is Arwen a sorcerer in particular). Are they dead? Or did they get washed away and they'll come back?
Aragorn is right. They can't be killed. But their horses can be. And for some reason (never explained in the books as adequately as I liked), they don't like water nor fire. It doesn't destroy them but it does discomfit and perhaps injure them.
(2)Is Gandalf actually dead?
I'm sorry. Gandalf the Grey fell into Shadow and is no more. God's truth. :(
(3)The Horn of Bormomir (or whatever it was called didn't seem to have any importance at all except to let the others know that Boromir was in trouble. Should it have done more (like kill Orcs)?
No, but in the books, it gave the Balrog pause on the Bridge of Khazad Doom and stymied the orcs for a moment: "Then Boromir raised the horn and blew. Loud the challenge rang and bellowed, like the shout of many throats under the cavernous roof. For a moment the orcs qualied and the fiery shadow halted..." Whether made of bone or metal, that's what the horn did and it would have been cool to see in the movie, IMO.
I don't understand the Boromir inferences on this thread. In the movie he is always seen as someone lacking in good character and someone who, when killed, has his final saving grace. Before that, he is not much of a likeable character.
In the books, Boromir is described by Aragorn as a valiant man. But the Ring's presence certainly has a disagreeable effect on him. Once free of the Ring's influence, we see the valiant Boromir at the end.
I may have to see this again as I was exhausted from Christmas Day when I finally got the time to go.
I recommend it. I picked the film apart mentally the first time I saw it. Most Ringers I know did. But I liked it much better the second time. I'm sure things will make a little more sense to you if you decide to. And READ THE BOOKS! They're much better than the movie. But be aware, the rollicking adventure aspects slow down after the first book, but pick up again near the end.
I agree. I've seen many comments about how shallow her performance was.
The impression I got of Cate Blanchett's performance was of a woman comfortable with her power, yet distracted and never at ease with the visions that she alone can see. Knowing that something terrible is coming and not knowing if she can resist it. It is this sense of foreboding that keeps her from being able to fully concentrate on the here and now.
In this way I felt Cate pretty well nailed it.
I'm sorry. Gandalf the Grey fell into Shadow and is no more. God's truth. :(
He returns as Gandalf the White.
Then Círdan led them to the Havens, and there was a white ship lying, and upon the quay beside a great grey horse stood a figure robed all in white awaiting them. As he turned and came towards them Frodo saw that Gandalf now wore openly upon his hand the Third Ring, Narya the Great, and the stone upon it was red as fire.
It was said that there were Five Wizards in the Order, but only three came into the story:
Saruman ('Man of Skill') the White [Sindarin: Curunír ('Man of Skill'); Quenya: Curumo]
Gandalf ('Elf of the wand') the Grey (later the White) [Sindarin: Mithrandir ('Grey Pilgrim'); Quenya: Olórin]
Radagast the Brown [Quenya: Aiwendel]
Gandalf was the only one who remained true to his mission, and in the end succeeded in bringing about Sauron's defeat. He was also the keeper of the Elven Ring Narya, the Red Ring (the Ring of Fire).
Alas, poor Gandalf, we knew him well!
I've seen the movie twice now, and found it better the second time (and it was moving and excellent the first.) There are more than a few minor liberties taken, but nothing fatal.
Seriously.
Let them read the books or see the movies.
Elrond wore a mantle of grey and had a star upon his forehead, and a silver harp was in his hand, and upon his finger was a ring of gold with a great blue stone, Vilya, mightiest of the Three. But Galadriel sat upon a white palfrey and was robed all in glimmering white, like clouds about the Moon; for she herself seemed to shine with a soft light. On her finger was Nenya, the ring wrought of mithril, that bore a single white stone flickering like a frosty star.
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