[RepublicanJoe]

Joyce Meyer? She is OK but her message seems to be more based on psychology than on the Word of God.

Lately (growing up in the Word of Faith Camp - to which Meyers claims to belong) I have about had it with shallow and selfish Christianity - which Meyers espouses. That is.... the main battles she is attempting to help us overcome are: spilling coffee on ourselves and keeping out temper.... keeping calm when we awake with a bad hair day.... controlling our greed and selfishness with our mate... not chewing out a waitress when they mess our order up, and so on.

It just seems to me that those kind of things are trivial at the least. Most of them I learned to control from my Mother's instruction and my Dad's discipline. It really pales in comparison to our Christian brothers and sisters overseas who are tortured and killed for their religious freedoms. (Such as Christians in Afghanistan) I sometimes wonder how long Joyce would last in such an environment? Well maybe a few weeks if they did not deprive her of makeup or a hair dryer.....

Not trying to be hard on Joyce but just thinking out loud a bit and longing for the days when Christianity will be more about worshiping God and helping others than about not blowing up when we don't get our own way and living our life just to meet our own needs.

[week 71]

and longing for the days when Christianity will be more about worshiping God and helping others than about not blowing up when we don't get our own way and living our life just to meet our own needs.

ditto to the above. We are so "soft" in this country and I fear most "Christians" will head for the door when times get rough.

[AlGone2001]

Lately (growing up in the Word of Faith Camp - to which Meyers claims to belong) I have about had it with shallow and selfish Christianity - which Meyers espouses. That is.... the main battles she is attempting to help us overcome are: spilling coffee on ourselves and keeping out temper.... keeping calm when we awake with a bad hair day.... controlling our greed and selfishness with our mate... not chewing out a waitress when they mess our order up, and so on.

It just seems to me that those kind of things are trivial at the least.

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I disagree strongly.  Christian character is an important goal to set.  I'm pretty sure that we were told to love one another?  If we learn to deal with the small things that bug us, how much better can we deal with those who are hard to love?

[onedoug]

See? Now you're going deep on me. Though I definitely see your point. I wonder if we ever know our faith until it's tested. And then it will always be to various degrees. And for some it will come over and over again.

Meyer projects this sense of "Americana" perhaps, more effectively than most I've seen in awhile. A kinda struttin' cowgirl, as it were, that sells her well too.

[Kibbylou]

I have seen Joyce every year for the past three years in Houston. I have read several of her books and I used to listen to her on TV daily. She speaks with a Bible open in front of her the whole time and quotes from the Bible every other sentence. She is not new age and even laughs at new agers. She has been consistent all these years in her message. You can order books or tapes on her web page. Why not check her out rather than dissing her. She is a high quality, patriotic American and truthful human being.

[LS]

See, Joe, you missed her whole point. Jesus said the "little foxes spoil the vines." Joyce says that you cannot cast out demons if you don't have control over a sink full of dirty dishes. That is PERFECT advice and is far from "soft" Christianity. Quite the contrary, she (and all other Word of Faith teachers I've heard---dunno who you listen to) HARP on discipline in ALL things. I don't see any way shape or form that this is "soft" or easy.

If you take any time to listen to Fred Price explain how he got to where he is, faith-wise, he takes great pains to explain how he gets up at 5:00 to pray for 1 1/2 hours! Now, that's not to pat him on the back, but I see Max Lucado, one of the favorites of the "deny yourself" crowd admit that he only prays 1/2 hour. Again, this isn't a "comparison" of prayer time, but only examples. I just don't get this notion that "faith" people have it easy. I could tell you what I do daily---it isn't enough, but it is COMPLETELY the reason I receive from God what I do receive.

[Clifdo]

I know he is controversial JUST because he does tell it like it is - Arnold Murray who pastors Shepherds Chapel Church in Gravette, Ark. He is an ex-Marine, Korean vintage and doesn't mince any words. He teaches verse by verse, chapter by chapter and book by book. His website is: www.shepherdschapel.com. Try him - you will get hooked! He is on Dish Network quite a number of hours each week - one must have the 500 version however.

[NATE4"ONE NATION"]

Not trying to be hard on Joyce but just thinking out loud a bit and longing for the days when Christianity will be more about worshiping God and helping others than about not blowing up when we don't get our own way and living our life just to meet our own needs.

This, and a serious doctrine of satan are two reasons I stay away from the Word of Faith and anyone willing to claim their cause.
They have preached a self-gain philosophy.
I admit though that I am not sure if Joyce is like that but she is guilty by willful association.

MY QUESTION:
If anyone if for Joyce, give me a quick post on if you have a dual working household.

Please

[Kermit]

"Joyce Meyer? She is OK but her message seems to be more based on psychology than on the Word of God."

The truth is unified. True psychology has to agree with the Word of G-d and vice versa. Right?

[Doctor Raoul]

It just seems to me that those kind of things are trivial at the least. Most of them I learned to control from my Mother's instruction and my Dad's discipline.

"Mom" and "Dad" are just social constructs that are destructive to your healthy self-esteem don't you know.....

[dwhite]

Agree with the things you say.

I tend to think she is not a real deep teacher. She uses the word "me, me, me" too much and most of it is about her. Not a meat and potatoes kind of person who indeed would be lost in the "real" world of the missionaries in the bad part of the world.

My son and I watched her a lot until we found Kenneth Copeland and the truths he teaches.

Lady in GA

[homeschool mama]

***She is OK but her message seems to be more based on psychology than on the Word of God. ***

yep.