Curious About Freeper's Views Of Joyce Meyer

onedoug ^ | 12 DEC 2001 | onedoug

[onedoug]

"You got me plum-hypnotized," Elmer Gantry says to Sister Sharon Falconer in that film/novel.

Is that the case with me over Joyce Meyer?

She seems pretty good at down-home preachin'. And while not a classic beauty, she yet ministers out a fair amount sex appeal, along with the word.

(I think, ultimately, it's those Texas/Missouri eyes.)

I post this to philosophy since, as I know she has a fair amount of, at least internet detractors, it yet seems that her ability to project the Word, is as anchored in the integrity of faith as any other TV preacher I can recall.

...Except perhaps the late Bishop Fulton J Sheen.

In short though, Meyer lately fascinates me, and I'm curious what other Freepers may think. Particularly Evangelicals!

Thanks, and Merry Christmas to All!

[netman]

Why do you presume that I listen to Copeland or Hagin? I haven't listened to either in years

I knew it!

Heresy has long lasting effects

[PleaseNoMore]

And I knew, that when confronted with something factual, you would have no defense.

[PleaseNoMore]

Again you MUST ( but certainly don't )understand the conditions in Jerusalem and Judah when Isaiah was prophesying the judgements of God to come. They were under Assiryan dominance ( Babylon had begun ). This judgement was on the wicked who had turned away from and forsaken God and had provoked the anger of the Holy One of Israel. Ba'al worship was in full swing. These were not women of God. The women AND men had fallen into paganism and idolatry. God was speaking judgement to the WICKED. Read 3:10 and see that it was well with the righteous and 3:11 to see woe unto the wicked. READ your Bible! This was not concerning the women who still obeyed the law ( there were many ).

Funny, you quote only two scriptures repetitively while the bible has numerous other scriptures ( OT and NT )citing women who were used of God ( prophetess publicly speaking, judges, interpretors or verifiers of the law to their husbands, etc. )in the company of men that you choose to ignore. Strange that you can find no verse in which Jesus, the fulfillment of the law, says nothing about this being out of His will. Odd that you ignore biblical history and customs of such.

[LaineyDee]

Spirited posted Acts 18:25-27,2 Timothy 4:19, 2 Timothy 4:18-20, Romans 16:2-4, 1 Corinthians 16:18-20 ... just to name a few.

[onedoug]

#600: Very nice take on the parable, and well put.

Wow! Six Hundred posts.

...About...God, essentially.

I wouldn't'a thunk it.

[onedoug]

Matt. 26:13...VLH earlier noted here that the woman depicted in this verse (and in Mark) seems "subservient".

However, John Dominic Crossan in his Jesus: A Revolutionary Biography has convinced me - at least - that this woman recongnizes Jesus' fate in death before anyone, including his apostles, and thus, must he be so annointed.

Which, again, only reinforces my #126, was it? (Heck, I hope so, for having to so backtrack once more.)

Hence in having spoken of "emotion", was the notion of inspiration ever seperated from the Word?

[onedoug]

...Though certainly not to seem to be ganging-up on you.
I've really appreciated every comment in contribution you've made to this thread.

Faith driven goodness is everything. And for that I thank you, and Thank God.

[nicmarlo]

Viva, I suggest you read the book of Ruth, a woman who obeyed the Lord and did all that He instructed her, which includes speaking to men of spiritual things. The results were tremendous blessings to her and her people.

[nicmarlo]

Please do not accuse me of speaking against you, the person. I disagree strongly with your views, which is different.

As far as Sodom and Gomorrah, God did not make a mistake, He already knew exactly how many righteous people there were (and weren't, to be more precise) in that land. The exercise of discussion was for Abraham's benefit, not for God. God was also showing His willingness to spare the town, if certain conditions existed (which He knew did not). The people who lived in those conditions were the ones with sin, not God who caused them to be that way. They made their own choices to sin exceedingly abundantly.

Concerning Paul, he was stating that we all sin. As far as he moreso than others, read Phillipians 3, where he also said he followed the law moreso than anyone (he followed the law, of anyone, most completely, a Pharisee of Pharisees). But even though he followed the law, he was convicted by God when Christ appeared to Him after the resurrection and asked Paul why is he persecuting Him (because he persecuted the Christians). I believe that may have been what Paul was referring to: that he, Paul, by persecuting Christians was actually persecuting Christ--a greater sin than what we do to ourselves:

Phillipians 3: (3) For it is we who are the circumcision, we who worship by the Spirit of God, who glory in Christ Jesus, and who put no confidence in the flesh-- (4) though I myself have reasons for such confidence. If anyone else thinks he has reasons to put confidence in the flesh, I have more: (5) circumcised on the eighth day, of the people of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of Hebrews; in regard to the law, a Pharisee; (6) as for zeal, persecuting the church; as for legalistic righteousness, faultless. (7) But whatever was to my profit I now consider loss for the sake of Christ. (8) What is more, I consider everything a loss compared to the surpassing greatness of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord, for whose sake I have lost all things. I consider them rubbish, that I may gain Christ (9) and be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ--the righteousness that comes from God and is by faith.

[week 71]

Allow my to encourage you to reread post 589 and notice how I specifically used the third person; there is no personal attacks. And I will again, after reading your response, just STRONGLY urge you to really think about a theology that turns God into an ignorant fool. Read the dozens of passages that declare the omniscience of our maker. We can discuss issues such has women teachers, but let us approach the scipture realizing it is truth and there are no mistakes. ON ESSENTIALS UNITY, ON NON-ESSENTIALS LIBERTY, AND IN ALL THINGS CHARITY.

[nicmarlo]

There are many more scriptures than what follow about God’s omnipotence, omniscience, and omnipresence, however, those below should be helpful in explanation.

Jesus said (Luke 12:) (5) But I will show you whom you should fear: Fear him who, after the killing of the body, has power to throw you into hell. Yes, I tell you, fear him. (6) 6 Are not five sparrows sold for two pennies? Yet not one of them is forgotten by God. (7) Don't be afraid; you are worth more than many sparrows.

King David writes: Psalm 69:5: O God, it is You who knows my folly, And my wrongs are not hidden from You.

The Prophet Isaiah writes: Isaiah 40: (26) Lift up your eyes on high And see who has created these stars, The One who leads forth their host by number, He calls them all by name; Because of the greatness of His might and the strength of His power, Not one of them is missing. (27) Why do you say, O Jacob, and assert, O Israel, ""My way is hidden from the LORD, And the justice due me escapes the notice of my God''? (28) Do you not know? Have you not heard? The Everlasting God, the LORD, the Creator of the ends of the earth Does not become weary or tired. His understanding is inscrutable.

And Paul writes to the Corinthians: 1 Corinthians 4: (4) For I am conscious of nothing against myself, yet I am not by this acquitted; but the one who examines me is the Lord. (5) Therefore do not go on passing judgment before the time, but wait until the Lord comes who will both bring to light the things hidden in the darkness and disclose the motives of men's hearts; and then each man's praise will come to him from God. (6) Now these things, brethren, I have figuratively applied to myself and Apollos for your sakes, so that in us you may learn not to exceed what is written, so that no one of you will become arrogant in behalf of one against the other.

[nicmarlo]

For some reason, the line below in bold was left out of my post, sorry. Jesus said (Luke 12:) (5) But I will show you whom you should fear: Fear him who, after the killing of the body, has power to throw you into hell. Yes, I tell you, fear him. (6) 6 Are not five sparrows sold for two pennies? Yet not one of them is forgotten by God. (7) Indeed, the very hairs of your head are all numbered. Don't be afraid; you are worth more than many sparrows.

[nicmarlo]

Let's look, first, to Christ's example of reading the Scriptures. Since He was a boy, He had been found in Temple, discussing the text with the Jewish Rabbis and other leaders, most likely the Sanhedrin and Pharisees. I do not pretend to be a theologian, but I would consider Christ to be the living theologian--He studied Himself, prayed, and listened since a boy to the ways of God. Indeed, he freely quoted scripture, to Lucifer when tempted, and to man, using parables for our instruction and benefit. Had He felt it necessary to point out the "failings" of the scriptures written before He took physical form, He would have pointed out the flaws. He was alive when [our Christian understanding of what is] Old Testament scriptures were studied, learned, memorized, discussed, etc. I put to you that question: if Christ felt the scriptures were flawed, or irrelevant, why did He feel the need to study, learn, and quote to others? And if He did feel they were flawed, and God was not all-knowing and perfect, why did Jesus not point that out? He never made such statements. Jesus also said He and the Father are one, that to know Him is to know the Father. Jesus was and is perfect, without blemish, the Lamb of God, whose sacrifice was needed because we humans are not perfect and are full of blemish.