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Court Backs Confederate Banner Ban At Cemetery (No 1st Amendment, 3000 Confederates Buried There!)
Post ^ | December 20, 2001 | Brooke A. Masters

Posted on 12/20/2001 4:02:40 PM PST by t-shirt

Court Backs Confederate Banner Ban At Cemetery U.S. Judge's Ruling Reversed on Appeal By Brooke A. Masters Washington Post

Thursday, December 20, 2001

The Department of Veterans Affairs can ban the daily display of the Confederate battle flag at a Maryland cemetery where more than 3,000 Southern prisoners are buried, a federal appeals court has ruled, reversing a lower court decision that said the ban violated the First Amendment....

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Pray for America.

Can you imagine this in America?

We have a cemetary where over 3,000 Confederate were buried and a Confederalte flag cannot be displayed?

Atleast the original court clearly saw this as a violation of the first Amendment.

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Look at this quote "to preserve these cemeteries as quiet places in which to honor the American dead, free from controversy and partisan conflict."

When in the hell did some imaginary need for keeping quite places free from controversity and conflict override the Bill of Rights of our Constitution?

If Protesters want to protest a flag being peacefully and quitely flown at a cemetary and interupt a ceremony then let them be arrested if the authority have a law against such, but why take away free speech for peacefully showing a flag in honor of the cayse which men believed in and bravely died for(Whether you agree with their cause or not)?

1 posted on 12/20/2001 4:02:40 PM PST by t-shirt
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2 posted on 12/20/2001 4:05:39 PM PST by t-shirt
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We have a cemetary where over 3,000 Confederate were buried and a Confederalte flag cannot be displayed?

dig up those traitors who took up arms against the UNION!!

3 posted on 12/20/2001 4:09:25 PM PST by gfactor
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dig up those traitors who took up arms against the UNION!!

Yeah, look what Lincoln started.

---max

4 posted on 12/20/2001 4:18:36 PM PST by max61
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To: gfactor
And while we're at it, dig up all those traitors who fought against the Mother Country during the American Rebellion!
5 posted on 12/20/2001 4:18:48 PM PST by The_Expatriate
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To: t-shirt
but why take away free speech for peacefully showing a flag in honor of the cayse which men believed in and bravely died for(Whether you agree with their cause or not)?

so taliban / alqaeda material will be at john walker's grave -- unmolested? i doubt it.

6 posted on 12/20/2001 4:55:53 PM PST by gfactor
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This is going too far.

Where can I buy a Confederate flag? I'm ready to fight.

7 posted on 12/20/2001 5:31:59 PM PST by Marauder
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To: gfactor
dig up those traitors who took up arms against the UNION!!

Traitors??? Please...the states had a right to secede from the Union. Debatable for sure, but not for you. I'll give you Horace Greeley a man of the time in this sample.

On the 9th of November, 1860, Mr. Horace Greeley, the great apostle of the Republican party, and who was often referred to during Mr. Lincoln's administration as the "power behind the throne -- greater than the throne itself" -- said in his paper, the New York Tribune:

"If the Cotton States consider the value of the Union debatable, we maintain their perfect right to discuss it; nay, we hold with Jefferson, to the inalienable right of communities to alter or abolish forms of government that have become oppressive or injurious: and if the Cotton States decide that they can do better out of the Union than in it, we insist on letting them go in peace. The right to secede may be a revolutionary one, but it exists nevertheless; and we do not see how one party can have a right to do what another party has a right to prevent."

On the 17th of December, 1860, just three days before the secession of South Carolina, he again said in the Tribune, "If it [the Declaration of Independence] justified the secession from the British Empire of three millions of colonists in 1776, we do not see why it would not justify the secession of five millions of Southernors from the Federal Union in 1861. If we are mistaken on this point, why does not some one attempt to show wherein and why?"

Again, on February the 23rd, five days after the inauguration of President Davis at Montgomery, he said:
"We have repeatedly said, and we once more insist, that the great principle embodied by Jefferson in the Declaration of American Independence -- that governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed -- is sound and just, and if the Slave States, the Cotton States, or the Gulf States only, choose to form an independent nation, they have a clear moral right to do so."

I don't believe one can reasonably argue the confederates as "traitors." They had a right to choose as free men be they right or wrong. And choose they did. A lost cause for sure, but nonetheless certainly not traitors as you suggest...but free men making a decision they paid dearly for as did the UNION.

8 posted on 12/20/2001 5:37:14 PM PST by takenoprisoner
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so taliban / alqaeda material will be at john walker's grave -- unmolested? i doubt it.

What difference should it make to you personally what JW puts on his tombstone? At the same time, this article is about 3000 confederates. They believed in states rights. They fought and died for states rights under the confederate flag of those seceded states. The fact they lost the battle for states rights is no reason to dishonor them nor give you the right to call them traitors.

9 posted on 12/20/2001 5:58:06 PM PST by takenoprisoner
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To: t-shirt
It's an extremely sad day in our nation's history.
10 posted on 12/20/2001 7:25:40 PM PST by shuckmaster
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11 posted on 12/20/2001 7:28:43 PM PST by shuckmaster
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12 posted on 12/20/2001 7:30:38 PM PST by Libertarianize the GOP
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To: t-shirt
The confederates fought against th U.S.Army just like the Taliban. Should we allow Taliban flags? Give me a break.
13 posted on 12/20/2001 7:34:44 PM PST by harmel
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Yeah. Lets raise the Taliban flag also for those brave murderers. We should oppose all enemies of the U.S. and that includes John Walker.
14 posted on 12/20/2001 7:36:55 PM PST by harmel
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Why not? The communist peaceniks leave all kinds of cr@% at graves of Lennon, Garcia and the like. Let them leave whatever they want--it will be a fine display of where treachery and disloyalty get you in America. (that would be dead). This is why we have the first amendment.
15 posted on 12/20/2001 7:37:42 PM PST by queenofsardonia
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To: t-shirt
No suprise here. Like many wars, the fighting stops but the principal differences remain to this day.

Can anyone here truly deny that we are a divided country to this day?

16 posted on 12/20/2001 7:38:37 PM PST by Accountable One
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Oh, yes, the thousands killed at Sumter really just started the war didn't it? Hold on, exactly how many men were killed at Sumter? NONE, just one d@mn horse!!!

The South tried to fight mainly a defensive war, not because that's all they could fight, but because all they wanted was to be left alone. But Sherman in his kindness burned down half the South on his little Southern jaunt. Interesting isn't it that when the South marched all through Pennsylvania, there is not recorded one such act on the level of Sherman.

Just goes to show who the REAL gentlemen were in that war. And as for me, I fly the flag of the Confederacy.

17 posted on 12/20/2001 7:44:11 PM PST by billbears
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I would just like to say that I in no way equate Johnny Taliban with the Confederates in question. Those men fought a good fight, while Johnny Taliban is a rotten traitor. Just read takenoprisoner's reply #8 again.
18 posted on 12/20/2001 7:47:38 PM PST by queenofsardonia
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To: t-shirt
The phrase you're looking for is: "Damn'd traitors, every one."

Walt

19 posted on 12/20/2001 7:50:24 PM PST by WhiskeyPapa
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To: t-shirt
Find descendants of those men, buy flags for them, take them there and let them put them on the graves. Have them keep doing it until they get arrested and then milk the cameras with the story. After about 50 times getting arrested for this unconstitutional law someone somewhere will decide that its not worth the hassle and embarassment of arresting families for decorating graves.

Thats how it worked for other civil rights and it would work for these also if someone is willing to get arrested for it.
20 posted on 12/20/2001 9:29:51 PM PST by Arkinsaw
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