[LYNX HOAX] Wilderness Institute Calls Federal Action Against Scientific Fraud By ESA Officials

The Sierra Times ^ | 19 December, 2001 | Sierra Times Staff

[brityank]

Is there any doubt that DC is totally corrupt, and that corruption is spreading throughout the land?

[Marylander]

The National Wilderness Institute Tuesday called on Congress and the Bush Administration to investigate

If caught or captured, the Institute will disavow any connection ... This tape will self-destruct in five ...

[Tarzantheape]

(These charges may call into question the scientific integrity of the whole body of work done by those associated with the bogus evidence," said Gordon.)

What they are really afraid of is that all the federal grant money showered on students and scientists will dry up.

Does this mean that I can no longer stomp around the swamps in my 'Big-Foot' boots?

[brityank]

Followup on yesterday's news threads here and here.

If you haven't seen it, dandelion found a lot of info in that first thread showing how entrenched the watermelon orgs are in the bureaucracy. Thank you, dandelion.

Off to work, darnit!

[backhoe]

Yes, they are utterly corrupt, and peddlers of fraud!

[Waco]

Getting the public out of national forests is connected to the information that many drug labs and pot growing is in these forests now. X42 and her spouse and their gang of "for the chillin" crooks are responsibile for it. Never have so many been so stupid. (And will likely stay that way.)

[hedgetrimmer]

This is indeed an eyeopener. BUMP

[soycd]

Call and write the Forest Service and every conservative you know about this. It's past time to expose the lies and garbage the environmentalist government plants. These criminals are no doubt leftover Clinton apointees. Get them out now!!!

[B4Ranch]

The fact that all OUR politicians didn't demand that these five men be fired and charged with criminal charges shows me that they accept this behavior as SATISFACTORY !!

[cake_crumb]

Keeping a close eye on this case. The "results" of this now tainted study should be thrown into the garbage, which is normal procedure when the data has been tainted.

These "scientists" who totally flout scientific methodology in favor of some secret agenda deserve to be censured by the scientific community.

I want their NAMES released. If this had been a pharmaceutical case, for example, names would be named. A stink would be made. Where is the loud noise we should be hearing from the scientific community, which should be outraged by this behaviour??

I also very much want to know if either of these two participated in the spotted owl fiasco, that caused so much heartache and pain to so many people.

[George Frm Br00klyn Park]

"Where is the loud noise we should be hearing from the scientific community, which should be outraged by this behaviour??"

CC, The scientific commune-ity is much like the historical commune-ity that gave a highly covetted award to the guy who wrote a book about the "myth" that early U.S. of A. residents had access to firearms. The best liars win awards. I MUST add the "educational" commune-ity to this list. Absolute failures turn up at new school systems, and are lauded grandly by their "peers". Blown-out failed retreads. Orwell must have been prophetic. Peace and love, George.

[cake_crumb]

You've got a point. I got out of the environmental movement...actually, many people interested in responsible conservation based on environmental interaction and real, hard science were pushed out by the wackos.

From the beginning, they were well organized and well funded.

We had hoped to start a seperate movement, which is still around, BTW, which is based on the premises mentioned above. Sadly, the city-based armchair-environmentalists gained in popularity, and their cause was taken up by the Third Way movement. Conservationists were kicked out in favor of these "Preservationists".

We thought that truth and good science would prevail. We were very naive.

Now when an enviro-wacko ruins a study, wastes tens of thousands of $$$ on junk studies which ruin thousands of lives, they are "counceled" and "removed from the project".

Very sad. We all wind up paying the price, and not just in $$$

[beckett]

We need to know the identities of the individuals who participated in this fraud.

We need to kknow their educational backgrounds, their professional and 'activist' associations, if any, and whether they have published any papers on the environment.

The Federal Gov't is now protecting their identities. I hope---and I believe---that interested parties will soon go to court to get these people identified. The public has a right to know who they are.

[KSCITYBOY]

What do you bet this is rampant- I heard 2nd hand about results of field tests on a particular fish being deemed inconclusive so the researchers could extend the grant program even though they know future tests will turn out the same.

[farmfriend]

Off to work, darnit!

This is my work. Ha Ha. Merry Christmas my friend.

[Carry_Okie]

The problem here is structural. The power to control the access to resources is too great to prevent corrupt interests from using the law to manipulate the economic value of producing assets. The poor schmucks who get out of college planning to "Save the Environment" quickly find out that the only employers that aren't laying everybody off are government agencies. The safety and security of a government job that is funded through discovery of continuing problems is a system that can be expected to run afoul of the law of unintended consequences.

There is an alternative to civic management of the environment.

[independentmind]

There is a clear double standard when the government may have planted fake information it can use to shut down the economy of a rural community out west while in its own backyard it finds it too burdensome to have several trucks a day haul the sediment through an affluent neighborhood inhabited by government officials and influential Washingtonians," Gordon said.

I am afraid I don't know that much about environmental issues out West. Outside of the federal government itself, do you know of any private interests (land developers, utilities, etc) that could actually benefit from shutting down local rural communities?

[independentmind]

BTW, something I have found interesting is Bush's choice of Gale Norton to head the Department of the Interior. She supposedly has strong libertarian leanings and has a record of pushing for the privatization of government-owned assets.(which ,in my mind, may or may not be a good thing--it's highly dependent upon how the privatization is structured.) What's interesting to note, though, is that she comes from a highly connected Denver law firm, mostly known for its ties to the Democratic Party. One of the principals of the law firm was one of the key defense attorneys in the Drexel Burnham Lambert case. The law firm is also heavily connected with land developers and the tourism industry.

[brityank]

Snuck a peek from work -- coffee break, dontcha know!

Take a read on this thread from three months ago. This attitude among the envcirals and the bureaucracy is endemic across the country. Check out my bookmark file too; much more than just this.

[brityank]

envcirals = envirals!

Note: Drink coffee first!