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Forgive and forget
Slate ^ | 19 Dec 2001 | Michael "Dweeb" Kinsley

Posted on 12/18/2001 9:50:15 PM PST by ChuckHam

Dec. 19 — All red-blooded Americans hate the Taliban. But what did red-blooded Americans think of the Taliban seven months ago? That’s about when John Walker, 20-year-old American citizen, disappeared from sight until he surfaced earlier this month in a prisoner-of-war camp for Taliban fighters who were lucky enough not to have been killed — yet. Now many Americans want Walker tried, punished, executed … nothing is too terrible to say about, or contemplate doing to, this traitor who abandoned his country and joined up with that incarnation of evil, that rats’ nest of anti-Americanism, that oppressor of women, that harborer of terrorists: the Taliban.

ALL THIS ABOUT the Taliban was about as true seven months ago as it was until last week, when the Taliban’s views on women became irrelevant. But most red-blooded Americans had no gripe against the Taliban seven months ago because seven months ago most Americans of all sanguinary hues had never heard of the Taliban. Most probably had heard of Osama Bin Laden and were happy enough to take him for a very bad guy who looked the part, but few could tell you why. Almost no one could identify al-Qaida — let alone spell it. “Harboring” was still widely considered a benign concept, generally thought to involve boats.

Seven months ago “Afghanistanism” still was—as it had been for decades and soon will be again — journalists’ slang for pretentiously feigning interest in the goings-on of superfluous faraway nations. The Bush administration’s passionate concern about the rights of women in Afghanistan was still being repressed. Even terrorism was not high on its political agenda.

Sept. 11 changed everything. We are all Afghanistanists now. Both sides of this reversal are justified: not just our current obsession, but our previous indifference as well. Although foreign policy fetishists may deplore it (and globalists are right that the world impinges on sovereign nations more and more), the freedom to ignore the rest of the world has always been part of our American Dream. And if you can’t ignore Afghanistan, who can you ignore? You could say that this war is about restoring our right to ignore Afghanistan once again.

WELL WORTH HATING

Meanwhile, the Taliban is well worth hating. What’s frightening, though, is how quickly people have forgotten that they didn’t always hate the Taliban, and how quickly they will forget about what is now the object of such hatred. (Inevitable Orwell reference, from 1984: “Oceana is at war with East Asia. Oceana has ALWAYS been at war with East Asia.”) Also, how quickly they develop an appetite for heretics.

Newsweek reports that Attorney General John Ashcroft wants to “make an example” of Walker. An example to whom? To all the other young Americans who are thinking about joining the Taliban? Was that a serious problem even before last week? Are there thousands or hundreds or dozens or even two U.S. citizens who are now scouring the globe in search of some other fanatical anti-American militia to join? Or is Ashcroft here confirming his reputation as someone who brings more enthusiasm than reflection to the process of trying people and punishing them?

The only voice of perspective has been that of President Bush, who once said of himself, “When I was young and irresponsible, I was young and irresponsible.” About John Walker, Bush said that “this poor fellow … obviously … has been misled.”

Walker obviously has been irresponsible in ways the young George W. never contemplated. He is obviously a fool and pretty obviously wished his own country harm. But there is no evidence so far that he actually did the United States any harm. As far as anyone calling for his head knows, he had nothing to do with Sept. 11 or any foreknowledge of it.

He told Newsweek that he “supported” it in hindsight, which is repellent but not a crime. It is unclear whether he was actually a member of al-Qaida. He played some unknown but small and ineffectual role in defending Afghanistan from an attack by the United States. That attack was justified, but defending a “harborer” is doubly removed from being a terrorist.

Walker seems to have played no active role in the prison camp uprising that killed CIA interrogator Mike Spann.

WRATH OF NATIONS

Whatever happens to him now, John Walker will not have avoided his nation’s official wrath. Without knowing of his existence, the United States gave this American citizen precisely the same treatment as the thousands of Pakistanis and other nationals who went to defend the Taliban government. That is, for two months we tried hard to kill him. Then, after he and other surviving fighters surrendered, our pals in the Northern Alliance managed to kill a few more by suffocation while transporting them to prison camp in closed container trucks. Nor was Walker given any special treatment when American planes bombed the prison camp to stop the uprising. All fair enough, or at least inevitable, in wartime.

Walker’s co-fighters from Pakistan and elsewhere face unpleasant futures, or very short ones, if they are sent back to their home countries. Does John Walker deserve any better because he happens to be a citizen of the United States? Should we show mercy even though the Taliban didn’t and Pakistan probably won’t? Should we allow him a fancy lawyer and procedural protections undreamed of in the countries he seemed to prefer to his own? Should we even have a bit of understanding about how a troubled teen-ager might be “young and irresponsible” enough to get himself in this fix?

The answer is yes, of course we should. The superior benefits of American citizenship are “why they hate us,” as the president points out, and what we’re fighting to protect. Now that the Taliban is defeated, even John Walker has the right of every American to forget about Afghanistan.


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Kinsley must be out of his freakin' mind. Have at him.

While you are at it, go to the source URL and vote in the poll for whether or not we should show "compassion" to the traitor.

1 posted on 12/18/2001 9:50:15 PM PST by ChuckHam
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To: ChuckHam
Kinsley must be out of his freakin' mind. Have at him.

Yeah I remember Mickey’s plea for Tim Mcveigh but.... my memory is not very good lately.

2 posted on 12/18/2001 9:55:14 PM PST by Texasforever
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To: ChuckHam
Yeah right, its all about Johnny Walker, not one freaking word about Johnny Spann and his wife and kids. He is 20 years old, the average age of our ground pounders is 19. He should hang and Kinsley should write about something he knows a bit about, like Presidents masturbating in sinks.
3 posted on 12/18/2001 10:02:37 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: jwalsh07
"...Kinsley should write about something he knows a bit about, like Presidents masturbating in sinks..."

I had such a great comment about 'drawing-and-Quartering', but yours is so much more to the point, walsh!

Merry Christmas, pal.....FRegards

4 posted on 12/18/2001 10:24:17 PM PST by gonzo
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To: gonzo
And a Merry Christmas to you and yours Gonzo!
5 posted on 12/18/2001 10:27:21 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: ChuckHam
Prosecute ... 77% heh heh Hang the ba*tard!

Nam Vet

6 posted on 12/18/2001 10:35:37 PM PST by Nam Vet
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To: Nam Vet
So, as long as you joined up before Dec. 7, 1941, it's cool for an American to have fought with the Japanese at Iwo Jima.

sheesh…

7 posted on 12/18/2001 10:51:14 PM PST by D-fendr
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To: ChuckHam
By his own words, Johny T indicated that he moved from Kashmir back to Afghanistan after the 9-11 attacks and apparently knowing of Taliban/Al-Qaida involvment. Therefore he knowingly gave aid and comfort to the enemy of the United States, and therby his actions qualify as Treason, if two witnesses can be found to attest to that. He also bore arms against US and allied forces, but finding witnesses to testify to that effect should be trivial. Thus he should be convictable of Treason under the first Constitutional definition (taking up arms against the United States) and if he confesses in open court or two witnesses can be found, the second as well (giving aide and comfort to its enemies)

I'd say hang 'im, a firing squad is too good for him. But we are more "civilised than that, so I guess it's the big needle, for him.

Baring Treason, there is also the matter of the death of the CIA paramilitary man. Killing, or being complicit in the killing of a federal agent will also get you the big stick. Still I'd prefer the treason count, even if the death penalty is for the murder rap.

8 posted on 12/18/2001 10:51:55 PM PST by El Gato
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To: ChuckHam
Newsweek reports that Attorney General John Ashcroft wants to “make an example” of Walker. An example to whom? To all the other young Americans who are thinking about joining the Taliban? Was that a serious problem even before last week?

No, to all his former enemies in the Senate :-)

9 posted on 12/18/2001 11:01:12 PM PST by xm177e2
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To: D-fendr
HUH? What does 1941 have to do with it? You totally lost me. This little S.O.B. refused to talk with the Americans, and as a result, one brave American DIED. If he had warned him of the hidden grenades in his comrades possession, that soldier's children would have a Dad today instead of a memory! The son-uv-a-b*tch should be shot! Please clarify your flame senor.

Nam Vet

10 posted on 12/19/2001 12:21:04 AM PST by Nam Vet
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To: ChuckHam
Meanwhile, the Taliban is well worth hating. What’s frightening, though, is how quickly people have forgotten that they didn’t always hate the Taliban, and how quickly they will forget about what is now the object of such hatred.

We have always hated regimes that ban music, kite flying, women working, women being educated, women not being allowed outside of the house, etc. etc. This is the same thing as saying that since I do not know that so-and-so 1000's of miles away is a fascist pig, I automatically accept him and possible love the guy.

Parkinson's is taking its toll on the already moronic, elitist, little rich boy Kinsley...JFK

11 posted on 12/19/2001 12:35:13 AM PST by BADROTOFINGER
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To: Nam Vet
No flame. I should have made it a general comment rather than a reply to you, sorry.

I was pointing out the absurdity of the logic of forgive and forget Walker. My point was that following the logic that we should forgive Walker's actions because "he had nothing to do with Sept. 11 or any foreknowledge of it," we would have to forgive an American who fought with the Japanese on Iwo Jima - if he had nothing to do with Pearl Harbor or any foreknowledge of it.

Walker knew what happened on Sept. 11 well before his capture and he continued to fight on the side of America's enemy.

12 posted on 12/19/2001 12:44:47 AM PST by D-fendr
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To: D-fendr
Thanks Bud. We are in total agreement. I always thought we were from the many posts you've made. Take care, my friend.

Nam Vet

13 posted on 12/19/2001 12:49:36 AM PST by Nam Vet
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To: D-fendr
Had the weirdos with the beard and funny hats left us alone, they would still be in power and walker would still be with his friends. Every pointy head dictator that comes along tries to make a name for himself by messing with us. I guess his timing was off a bit. Had he done his evil while the prince of masturbation was in office, this country would have considered sept. 11th a cry for help and sent aid to them. Then the prince of masturbation would have gone over there to feel their pain.
14 posted on 12/19/2001 1:43:42 AM PST by poorman
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To: ChuckHam
But most red-blooded Americans had no gripe against the Taliban seven months ago..

Totally irrelevent. The Taliban, OBL, and al-KKKeda all hated American and was plotting to attack it seven months ago. That is the organization he joined. That is the action he MUST pay for.
15 posted on 12/19/2001 2:00:15 AM PST by self_evident
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To: ChuckHam
....Nothing is too terrible to say about, or contemplate doing to, this traitor.....

The same could be said for you, Michael.

16 posted on 12/19/2001 2:07:51 AM PST by Ima Lurker
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To: Ima Lurker
BTTT for all you Kinsley fans out there.
17 posted on 12/19/2001 3:36:41 AM PST by ChuckHam
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To: JohnHuang2
John, thought you might get a laugh out of this one. Please put it out on your ping list if you think the group would like to tear into it. Thanks.
18 posted on 12/19/2001 4:39:04 AM PST by ChuckHam
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