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12/18/2001 4:10:48 PM PST by
Pokey78
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To: Pokey78
THere is only one Jesus. There is not a muslim one and a Christian one. While the baby in the manger is a pricelsess gift the real story is the crucifixion which they deny. Isn't that the point? Jesus cna't simply be a prophet. He never claimed that. He is either the son of God or a raving lunatic but not a prophet. people give Him that label so they don't have to deal with the reality and actually pick a side of the fence.
To: Pokey78
One other thing: since Muslims deny the Crucifixion, their emphasis has been on the wonders surrounding the birth of "Jesus Son of Mary", born as his mother sat under a palm tree, and miraculously speaking from within the womb. There really is no reason why schools that put on Nativity plays, or anyone who wants to insist on the Christian meaning of Christmas, should fear that they may offend Muslim sensibilities, for Jesus really is shared by both faiths.What horsehockey. Christianity is absolutist if nothing else -- and it is not ABOUT to "share" some sanitized version of Jesus with any demon-driven cult -- be it Mormonism or be it Islam. Paul writes in I Corinthians, Chapter 15:
12 Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead? 13 But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen: 14 And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain. 15 Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not. 16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised: 17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins. 18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished. 19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.
Pssssssssssst! If Christ was never crucified, he certainly is not risen.
146 posted on
12/18/2001 9:41:21 PM PST by
BenR2
To: Pokey78;*christian;khepera;Dr. Octagon;Dr. Good Will Hunting;la$tminutepardon
Now, what if my friend had married a Muslim? The interesting thing is that he could have kept Jesus - not the Jesus who was the Son of God, admittedly, and who was crucified, but certainly the Jesus who was Messiah and miracle worker, who conversed regularly with God, who was born of a virgin and who ascended into heaven.The Muslim Jesus is not divine, but a humble servant of God. He was not crucified - Islam insists that the story of the killing of Jesus is false.
To deny that he was wholy devine and wholy human is to deny him as God's son. Muslims are not forgiving and they "do not let you worship anyone but their god, don't buy into this blantant lie!
Don't believe me? Look at the Christians in Muslim countries today...they are killed for their faith in Jesus and their refusal to convert to Islam.
154 posted on
12/19/2001 3:59:05 AM PST by
wwjdn
To: Pokey78
My Jesus is my God.
156 posted on
12/19/2001 4:01:10 AM PST by
keats5
To: Pokey78; the_doc; CCWoody; RnMomof7
"The Muslim Jesus is not divine" Therefore, he is an antichrist.
The realJesus will judge all mankind. Then we will see just how much these pagans love Him.
159 posted on
12/19/2001 4:23:39 AM PST by
Jerry_M
To: Pokey78
The Muslim Jesus is not divine, but a humble servant of God. He was not crucified - Islam insists that the story of the killing of Jesus is false. The Muslim "Jesus" is a figment of Muslim imagination and a blasphemy. Islam is not in agreement on Christianity and Koran DOES NOT CONTAIN the New and Old Testament.
160 posted on
12/19/2001 4:34:24 AM PST by
A. Pole
To: Pokey78; plastic
Jesus is referred to quite often in the Koran, six times under the title "Messiah". Yet I had long supposed that the importance of Jesus as prophet in Muslim tradition was not much more than a matter of lip-service, something to which Muslims gave (to use Cardinal Newman's distinction) "notional" rather than "real" assent.
The reason for the mention of Jesus (and the initial shabbat prayers and prayers directed toward Jerusalem, not Mecca) is because at the time that Muhammed decided to invent his religion the two big well established religions were Christianity and Judaism. Muhammed took on phenotypes of these religions for two reasons: 1. an attempt to attract members of those religions to his own--the Jews adamantly refused, resulting in the dropping of prayers toward Jerusalem and their blacklisting as one of the infidel groups mentioned by name; 2. an attempt to appropriate to his creation some of the mojo of already successful religions; mentioning Jesus in a positive light (though a decidedly non-Christian Jesus) would make his religion appear (in the minds of those not Christian but familiar with it in some way) to be more related than alien; appealing to Abraham as an ancestor was the same sort of attempt with respect to the Jews "Hey, we're all members of the same family--you just deviated from the true religion which I, Muhammed, as the prophet of Allah, am here to tell you about and bring our family back together so the circle will be unbroken, by and by, Lord, by and by..." Unfortunately for Muhammed, analysis of the Y chromosome have shown Jews to be more closely related to people nearer Mesopotamia than to any Arabs. Looks as though whoever they were, they weren't offspring of Abraham through Ishmael.
164 posted on
12/19/2001 4:44:59 AM PST by
aruanan
To: Pokey78
No offence, but Muslims love Jesus as much as Christians do No offence, but no creative new idea by the Muslim/Arabprop machine and their useful idiots can neutralize 1300 years of bloody animal behavior by the Muslim Mass Murderers.
The fact that they love Jesus must explain why there is not a single Middle Eastern country where a Christian church may be built and where Christians may openly practice their faith.
What a bunch of morons...
To: Pokey78
Then along came Mohammed and all hell broke loose.
To: Pokey78
Now, what if my friend had married a Muslim? This proves the author is lying or making stuff up because non-Muslim men are not allowed to marry Muslim women. Muslim men can marry Christians but only because they believe the man owns the woman and the children will be Muslim that way.
170 posted on
12/19/2001 5:12:42 AM PST by
FITZ
To: Pokey78
Christians terrorized by Laskar Jihad 12/17/01Between Poso and Tentena was a gantlet of "jihad posts" staffed by Islamic soldiers bearing AK-47s. Some of the soldiers at these posts, Mr. Snyder had heard, were stopping buses and cars along the route. Any Christian passengers were hauled out and either killed on the spot or driven into the jungle, never to be seen again.ISLAMIC NATIONS SLAUGHTER, ENSLAVE CHRISTIANS 12/16/01
THERE IS NOT ONE CHRISTIAN NATION ON EARTH WHERE MUSLIMS ARE PERSECUTED. Yet in 83% of nations where the majority of the population are Muslims, there is systematic government persecution of Christians.
Christians In Pakistan Fear A Christmas Bloodbath 12/5/01
ISTANBUL, Turkey, (Zenit.org).- Five weeks after Islamic extremists murdered 15 Christians in a worship service, church leaders across Pakistan say their congregations remain "tense and fearful" as Christmas approaches, Compass Direct reports.
No offence, but Muslims love Jesus as much as Christians do
Nobody is buying this Islamic propaganda anymore. Islam is a fierce hater of Jesus Christ and murders His followers whenever and wherever they have the power to do so.
To: Pokey78
If Jesus is not God, Jesus is nothing.
184 posted on
12/19/2001 6:43:36 AM PST by
P8riot
To: Pokey78
I doubt this guy speaks for Islam. The evidence is to the contrary, to whit: Islamics slaughter Christians.
200 posted on
12/19/2001 11:47:44 AM PST by
lds23
To: Pokey78
This is precisely why St. John of Damascus, the first Christian to write a decisive critique of Islam (which he knew from original sources having been an official in the court of the Caliph at a time when Islam's claim of tolerance had been tarnished chiefly by the actions of its then-dead "prophet" and not so much by the actions its living adherents as is now the case, but I digress...) considered it a CHRISTIAN HERESY, rather than an separate religion.
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