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1 posted on 12/18/2001 4:10:48 PM PST by Pokey78
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Does this include ObL??? Yeah, right. . .
3 posted on 12/18/2001 4:19:51 PM PST by MeekOneGOP
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Islam is the most successful of the Christian heresies.
5 posted on 12/18/2001 4:23:24 PM PST by docmcb
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I have knelt before Shiva in his temple in Varanasi.

I have worshipped the Sacred Cobra at the temple of the wife of Shiva in Hardiwar--and in the bardo state--and in past lives. I always will.

But Jesus Christ is the only Mediator and Advocate Whom I will ever accept and the only One to Whom I will entrust my soul.

He is my Guide. It is He Who took me to Varanasi and taught me. And to Hardiwar.

I am His. He is Mine. No matter what life brings, or death, He leads me to God. I will follow Him anywhere.

He will lead you too.

6 posted on 12/18/2001 4:24:03 PM PST by Savage Beast
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No offence, but Muslims love Jesus as much as Christians do

Nonsense. They don't love the "real" Jesus. They are only in love with their stunted idea of Him.

7 posted on 12/18/2001 4:24:11 PM PST by Gritty
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not the Jesus who was the Son of God, admittedly

That kinda misses the point then don't it? I have conversed with quite a few Muslims, and they will proclaim that Jesus was a prophet, but not the Son of God. They often use lines like. "How can Jesus have been God when he asked God for help?"

9 posted on 12/18/2001 4:26:39 PM PST by Texaggie79
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Those who deny the Divinity of Christ are merely saying Jesus was a good man.

Read the chapter of John and see who Jesus really is!

10 posted on 12/18/2001 4:28:23 PM PST by texson66
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Jesus' cousin, John the Baptist is also some sort of Muslim prophet. I once saw a group of Muslims praying to a box that contained the head of John the Baptist in a mosgue in Damacas.
11 posted on 12/18/2001 4:28:53 PM PST by bayourod
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One other thing: since Muslims deny the Crucifixion

What utter nonsense; to claim that Mohammedans love Jesus as much as Christians do, and then to deny His saving death on the Cross. The crucifixion is the reason Jesus was born: it was through His death that our sins are forgiven and Heaven is opened to us. "Islam" can't save, Jesus does.

13 posted on 12/18/2001 4:30:18 PM PST by KJMorgan
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In denying the divinity of Christ, Ilsam denies the very essence of Christianity.

This fact establishes a contradiction that cannot be reconciled in theology or belief.

While it may be true that a pious and moral Muslim can live in harmony next to a pious and moral Christian and that they can maintain a secular peace (which is a very ood thing) ... particularly when the Muslim does not belong to a sect that literally believes and practices jihad and the Christian actually practices a true earthly walk in the footsteps of Christ ... it is not true that their theology or belief system with respect to Christ Jesus is close. In fact, as I have stated, from that perspective it is unreconcilable.

14 posted on 12/18/2001 4:31:19 PM PST by Jeff Head
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I'm sorry, but I just don't get it. IMO, this is the biggest piece of propaganda I have read since 9/11.

If this was true, why are the Christians being pursued and slaughtered by the thousands by Muslims in Indonesia?

Islamic Nations Slaughter, Enslave Christians

16 posted on 12/18/2001 4:33:51 PM PST by dansangel
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Oh, yeah, Jesus is certainly mentioned in the Qu'ran and so are Christians:

O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: nor say of Allah anything but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was no more than a Messenger of Allah… Do not say "Trinity": desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is One God: Glory be to Him: far exalted is He above having a son. 4:171

From those too, who call themselves Christians, We did take a covenant, but they forgot a good part of the Message that was sent to them: so We estranged them, with enmity and hatred between one and the other, to the Day of Judgment. And soon will Allah show them what they have done. 5:14

In blasphemy indeed are those that say that God is Christ the son of Mary. 5:17

O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: they are but friends and protectors to each other. And he among you that turns to them for friendship is of them. 5:51

They do blaspheme who say: "God is Christ the son of Mary." They do blaspheme who say: God is one of three in a trinity: for there is no God except one God Allah. If they do not desist from their word of blasphemy, verily a grievous penalty will befall the blasphemers among them. Christ the son of Mary was no more than a Messenger; many were the Messengers that passed away before him. 5:72- 73, 5:75

18 posted on 12/18/2001 4:35:13 PM PST by Ol' Sparky
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 Nietzsche thought that the only figure in the New Testament who commands respect is Pontius Pilate. Yet the very ferocity of Nietzsche's onslaught on Jesus showed how strong in his heart was the image he wanted to destroy.

In which case, Satan must be a godly as God.  </barf>
I love liberty.  I hate statism.  Therefore, statism must
run very strong in me.  Why is it that religious illogic
goes unquestioned, while we would laugh in the face
of anyone trying to pull this stunt in politics?  Talk
about PC.

22 posted on 12/18/2001 4:37:22 PM PST by gcruse
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23 posted on 12/18/2001 4:37:28 PM PST by glock rocks
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what crap
27 posted on 12/18/2001 4:39:52 PM PST by rwfromkansas
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What pablem.

Islam wants all that is not Islam to be Islam. Or else. You are either with them or against them. Nothing else really matters.

Ponder a bit and think about the "either you are with us or against us" concept. Sounds like the Bush doctrine, eh?

History will look back on this time and see that serious men and women fought against evil. And won.

29 posted on 12/18/2001 4:43:02 PM PST by isthisnickcool
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Typical libmedia bunkum.
31 posted on 12/18/2001 4:43:43 PM PST by George W. Bush
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Organized religion is a tool much like a hammer; it is generally used to beat into malleable form the raw material under its arc of influence be they willing or simply in the way, and just as the smithy enjoys the shaping and forming of his handiwork, the bishops, preachers and imams see themselves as master artisans engaged in the work of the one true God while those within range of the hammer supplicate themselves whimpering or fly forth from the force of the hammer squirting the errant fragments among the infidels who escaped.

The clever either hide away or become one with the craftsman, either way he remains apart from his creator since he depends on estrangement or membership.

If God exists for the many He exists for the one - as long as there are salesmen and tyrants there will be gluttons and despots; I pray, but I do not congregate, for in numbers there is danger.

33 posted on 12/18/2001 4:45:41 PM PST by Old Professer
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Glaringly absent here is the word apostasy. In much (most?) of the Islamic world, Muslims who leave their faith for another -- including Christianity -- are subject to drastic penalties, including death.

Strange behavior for those who "love Jesus as much as Christians do."

39 posted on 12/18/2001 4:54:26 PM PST by dighton
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Yeah, they love Jesus but they want to stone or burn every American alive.
42 posted on 12/18/2001 4:58:18 PM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity
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This is the biggest piece of tripe...

not the Jesus who was the Son of God...the Muslim Jesus is not divine...he was not crucified - Islam insists that the story of the killing of Jesus is false...Muslims deny the Crucifixion

The above is what MAN says. What follows is what GOD says. Who are you going to believe?

1 Corinthians 1
22For Jews request a sign, and Greeks seek after wisdom; 23but we preach Christ crucified, to the Jews a stumbling block and to the Greeks foolishness. (NKJV)

1 John 2
22Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son. 23Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also. (NKJV)

John 3
16For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
18"He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. (NKJV)

Clearly, Muslims do not have THE CHRIST - they have a moralistic teacher. They have damnation.

45 posted on 12/18/2001 5:05:26 PM PST by FatherOfLiberty
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