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Music Industry Plotting to Control Your Record Collection
The Wall Street Journal | 12-17-2001 | Thomas E. Weber

Posted on 12/17/2001 10:34:47 AM PST by rustbucket

The WSJ has an article about how the record industry may soon try to lease recordings rather than sell them. If you fall behind on your "rent" payments, your music collection evaporates.

Also, new copy-protected CDs apparently redefine the concept of owning a CD. If you buy one of these, you may not be able to transfer the music to your computer or burn your favorite music onto your own CDs or transfer songs to MP3 players.


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To: rustbucket
Looks like Universal will be the first...
41 posted on 12/17/2001 12:53:56 PM PST by StoneColdGOP
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To: dandelion
"Guerilla music, arise!!"

It ain't about the music man. It is about pop culture, and pop culture is the last thread that connects most people to an interesting life. They (we as a collective entity) are not going to give it up. I will, but society won't. I wish it were not so.
43 posted on 12/17/2001 1:01:42 PM PST by gjenkins
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To: jpsb
It is my understanding that bars that feature live music are now being sued by the RIAA. For royalities? Now I do not understand how this can be. A bar hires a band (for a lot of money) the band plays, the band get's paid and later the bar is sued! Can you explain this. thanks

It gets better than that, the RIAA has tried to muscle bars for RIAA "protection" fees for the songs played on tv commercials! If a bar has a tv (with audio) on, they could be strong armed into paying for RIAA license fees.

What is ridiculous is that the sponsor company (Burger King for example) has already paid for the licensing of that song for the ad.

Cover bands get a free ride from the bars' RIAA agreements but I've even heard of RIAA goons aproaching the bands for a cut of the receipts of the night's take.

44 posted on 12/17/2001 1:02:36 PM PST by weegee
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To: FreeTally
That is exactly what they (RIAA) are doing. They go to bars demanding thousands of dollars in royalties, if the bar doesn't pay up, they sue. Conpletely turned me against the music industry. If they are going to sue anyone they should sue the band playing songs the RIAA feels it owns. They only sue the bars because that know the bar either pays or the bar is closed and sold. Bunch of blood sucking creeps, another instance of lawers screwing over the public to make a few bucks.

Once we are finished with terrorists I think a war against lawers would be a good idea.

45 posted on 12/17/2001 1:03:54 PM PST by jpsb
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To: FreeTally
The only reason that the "musician" does not actually get that money is usually because most of their "profit" goes to pay back the record company for advances, equipment, clothes etc...
Contrast that with book publishing which is, still, a higher-class operation: No respectable publisher would dare charge you for the work of an indexing specialist or copy editor. These charges in musicians' contracts are meant to keep them permanently in debt to record companies by creating an uncontrolable stream of charges that can be added to the musicians' advances. It is highly unethical if not outright fraudulent.
46 posted on 12/17/2001 1:10:36 PM PST by eno_
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To: jpsb
That is exactly what they (RIAA) are doing. They go to bars demanding thousands of dollars in royalties, if the bar doesn't pay up, they sue. Conpletely turned me against the music industry. If they are going to sue anyone they should sue the band playing songs the RIAA feels it owns. They only sue the bars because that know the bar either pays or the bar is closed and sold. Bunch of blood sucking creeps, another instance of lawers screwing over the public to make a few bucks.

I remember a few years when cable companies went after sports bars for showing pay per view events and scrambled channels. I don't recall what became of the issue.

48 posted on 12/17/2001 1:36:25 PM PST by EVO X
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To: Johassen
Breaking copy protection on a music CD is trivally easy: Make a high quality analog copy.

You don't have to get that archaic!! If you're playing digital audio or video, copy protected or no, at some point it has to go through a D/A converter or frame buffer....which means it has to exist somewhere for some trivial amount of time as raw digital data. As long as this is true, there will always be creative digital methods to "cleanse" protected data.

As one guy said back at an early IEEE1394 DV standards meeting "if you can see it or here it once, you can copy it many times!"

49 posted on 12/17/2001 1:53:51 PM PST by sam_paine
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To: sam_paine
here ==> hear. "Hear hear!"
50 posted on 12/17/2001 1:59:25 PM PST by sam_paine
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To: FreeTally
From the leftist but occasionally funny comic strip Boondocks:

Huey: I have a mathematics question.

Teacher: Yes?

Huey: Let's say a record label gives a new artist a six-figure advance against royalties, but that advance doesn't cover all the costs of making his CD, which he has to pay. Then they give the artist an 8 percent royalty, which doesn't allow him to cover the advance, leaving him bankrupt and enslaved to the record label even though they make a profit off his CD.

Teacher: (sigh) Yes?

Huey: So my question is, how many tons of explosives should we use to blow up the RIAA when they say they're shutting down Napster to protect the artists' rights?

51 posted on 12/17/2001 2:40:43 PM PST by Dr.Deth
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To: Dr.Deth
why do we need the music industry
52 posted on 12/17/2001 3:11:59 PM PST by weegee
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To: rustbucket
It's a dastardly UN plot whose secret purpose is to...............lol
53 posted on 12/17/2001 3:16:29 PM PST by verity
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To: StoneColdGOP
The WSJ article listed a web site, fatchucks, for information about copy-proof disks. (In case I didn't do the link correctly, the site is www.fatchucks.com.)

I checked and found that hundreds of thousands of compact disks have already been released in the US without any warning label they were copy protected. Fatchucks listed some of the known copy-proof CDs. Turns out I had one of them, a Universal CD. I stuck it in my computer -- it brought up its own software to play the songs. It worked. So far, so good.

Next I tried to copy some of the songs onto a custom-mix CD. Everything went fine until the computer tried to write one of the songs to my custom-mix CD. At this point, it crashed my computer.

P.S. I won't be buying any more Universal CDs.

54 posted on 12/17/2001 3:24:49 PM PST by rustbucket
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To: rustbucket
What are they going to do about the 3 or 4 hundred 30-year old vinyl LP's I've got? Just try to recall my Cream collection. I dare ya
55 posted on 12/17/2001 3:46:37 PM PST by muir_redwoods
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To: rustbucket
Well there you go. Oh well...
56 posted on 12/17/2001 3:50:21 PM PST by StoneColdGOP
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To: rustbucket
I wonder if the artists had any say in the matter. I was surprised at some of the artists listed.

The Doors have recently reissued "remasted" discs of all their albums and yet only the "best of" is listed (and none of the ltd edition concert CDs). Joe Strummer (of the Clash) hasn't approached the top 100 in years and yet his album contains this scheme.

I wasn't too surprised that this list didn't jibe with my buying habits. The labels I buy include Norton Records, Estrus, Sympathy For The Record Industry, Sundazed, Bear Family, and Ace.

57 posted on 12/17/2001 3:57:54 PM PST by weegee
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To: weegee
Music Industry Plotting to Control Your Record Collection

Gee, I thought it was the Rockefellers, the CFR, Rhodes Scholars, the Committee of 300, the Freemasons, the Trilateral Commission, and the Bild-a-Burgers (with bacon and cheese).

58 posted on 12/17/2001 4:01:27 PM PST by Poohbah
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To: rustbucket
That's alright, most of the junk the record companies are pumping out today aren't worth buying in the first place. Why would anyone want to copy them?
59 posted on 12/17/2001 4:04:19 PM PST by Equality 7-2521
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To: muir_redwoods
What are they going to do about the 3 or 4 hundred 30-year old vinyl LP's I've got? Just try to recall my Cream collection.

All right! Another Cream fan. They won't get mine either.

60 posted on 12/17/2001 4:05:35 PM PST by ken in texas
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