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Music Industry Plotting to Control Your Record Collection
The Wall Street Journal | 12-17-2001 | Thomas E. Weber

Posted on 12/17/2001 10:34:47 AM PST by rustbucket

The WSJ has an article about how the record industry may soon try to lease recordings rather than sell them. If you fall behind on your "rent" payments, your music collection evaporates.

Also, new copy-protected CDs apparently redefine the concept of owning a CD. If you buy one of these, you may not be able to transfer the music to your computer or burn your favorite music onto your own CDs or transfer songs to MP3 players.


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To: rustbucket
With all you folks wanting stuff for free, almost reads like Democratic Underground..
21 posted on 12/17/2001 11:10:23 AM PST by Jack Wilson
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To: rustbucket

Recording Industry?

22 posted on 12/17/2001 11:13:03 AM PST by G.Mason
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To: Jack Wilson
Here's a quote from the WSJ article that directly answers your 'stuff for free' claim.

I've ripped hundreds of CDs onto my computer but I'm not a criminal or a pirate. These are all CDs that I paid (or overpaid) for. I often prefer to listen to the music I've bought on my computer. My PC has decent stereo speakers, and I spend a lot of time working there. But it's more than that. With the songs on my hard drive, I have instant access to my entire collection -- much better than rooting through piles of discs. I also like to transfer the files to my portable MP3 player so I can listen at work without schlepping CDs back and forth. And I take songs from several albums and burn them onto custom-mix CDs ("Still More 80s") for the car.

Copy-proof CDs won't let me do any of that. Certainly record companies are entitled to take measures to stymie widespread copying, in which hundreds or thousands of illegal duplicates are made from a single CD. But somehow the legacy of Napster has given all copying a bad name.

Did you know that under U.S. copyright law, it's generally considered permissible to make copies of music you've purchased? "It's completely legal," explains Jessica Litman, a law professor at Wayne State University and the author of "Digital Copyright." As long as you're making a copy for private, noncommercial use, you're pretty much in the clear. File-sharing services have gotten into trouble by enabling copying on such a massive scale that it's not really noncommercial even if no money changes hands.

23 posted on 12/17/2001 11:15:23 AM PST by Petronski
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To: Jack Wilson
It's not about wanting stuff for free - it's about selling a product that people want, for a fair price, and MAKING SURE THE ARTISTS GET PAID TOO. None of the above is happening in the recording industry. A few select artists will make money - but those artists who live "high on the hog" usually do so on the "company credit"... once their records stop selling (either because the record company deems it, or they weren't any good in the first place) the mansions and the cars go back to the bank. After that, they have nothing.
24 posted on 12/17/2001 11:19:35 AM PST by dandelion
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To: rustbucket
bookmark
25 posted on 12/17/2001 11:26:11 AM PST by medved
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To: Jack Wilson
< "With all you folks wanting stuff for free, almost reads like Democratic Underground.." >

Don't click on this.....You can't have any!

Told you.

26 posted on 12/17/2001 11:27:19 AM PST by G.Mason
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To: rustbucket
Wonder if the industry will try to get a piece of the new satellite radio services......?
27 posted on 12/17/2001 11:29:34 AM PST by ken5050
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To: rustbucket
Music Industry Plotting to Control Your Record Collection

I thought it was just gov't that wanted to control my life?

Maybe this 'phenom' (control) is just endemic to the human race (women want to control men, men want to control women, parents want to control the kids - kids want -and do- control parents) ...

28 posted on 12/17/2001 11:31:34 AM PST by _Jim
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To: Rockinfreakapotamus
Reel-to-reel RULES!
29 posted on 12/17/2001 11:32:37 AM PST by Electron Wizard
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To: rustbucket
One word: DIVX
30 posted on 12/17/2001 11:38:49 AM PST by william clark
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To: eno_
How much of that $15.99 do the musicians see? Unless they have good lawyers, the answer is often zero.

Well, thats not really true. The only reason that the "musician" does not actually get that money is usually because most of their "profit" goes to pay back the record company for advances, equipment, clothes etc...

The more established a musician is, the more they will see. Its hard to make money off one album or your "first" album, because of all the money in advances that you have to take..... and pay back.

I do not want to defend the "music industry", because in general, its slimey. But many people in this debate just do not understand how much money the typical act receives in the form of advances from record lables. Groups such as TLC and the Goo Goo Dolls found this out the hard way. They sold millions, only to find out they owed their record company money.

31 posted on 12/17/2001 11:41:28 AM PST by FreeTally
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To: wideawake
I find it amusing that a guitar wizard like Charlie Hunter can craft beautiful yet challenging CDs and sell them for $11.99, but the mindless, two-chord crud that Limp Bizkit churns out is $18.99.

I personally find it amusing that poster's always claim that CD's by "popular" artists cost this much when places such as Best Buy and Circuit City sell them for $11.99 to $12.99, and thats usually regular price. You will only pay $16.99 to $18.99 when you are at a music store, usually in a mall, that only sells CDs, posters, etc... These stores hate the "Electronic Superstores" who lower CD prices to the point that they are breaking even or losing money just so you come in and browse, and hope you walk out with that new DVD player and widescreen T.V. when all you came for was the new release CD.

32 posted on 12/17/2001 11:45:27 AM PST by FreeTally
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To: Petronski
But somehow the legacy of Napster has given all copying a bad name.

Yeh, those two dozen Napster users gave all the legal copiers a bad name. Right. Millions upon millions were using Napster. If it were not for the brats of the world wanting free sruff, then copying would not have a bad name. I'm sorry, I just do not buy this "I just want to copy these so I can listen to them 0n my computer" arguments.

33 posted on 12/17/2001 11:50:19 AM PST by FreeTally
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To: dandelion
It's not about wanting stuff for free - it's about selling a product that people want, for a fair price,

Uh, when was the las ttime you were forced at gun point to pay too much for a CD you knew would suck anyway? Where do you get the idea that you should get something for a "fair price". It sounds nice, but until those who MAKE THE MUSIC decide to not be a part of the RIAA, then too bad. Hell, artists with millions upon millons, like the Rolling Stones, or the (living)Beatles, or Russel Simmons could never use RIAA resources again, and totally buck the system, making their own distribution outlets and whatnot. You people need to ask yourselves "WHY!, Why are the musicians not leaving the RIAA".

34 posted on 12/17/2001 11:55:20 AM PST by FreeTally
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To: FreeTally
The price differential for say, the average 15 year old New York City fan is meaningless.

His options are: pay $18.99 for the CD in a Manhattan store or take a commuter bus to a New Jersey/Long Island music superstore and pay $5-7 for the bus, $11.99 for the CD and waste two hours of their time in the bargain.

35 posted on 12/17/2001 11:58:56 AM PST by wideawake
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To: FreeTally
It is my understanding that bars that feature live music are now being sued by the RIAA. For royalities? Now I do not understand how this can be. A bar hires a band (for a lot of money) the band plays, the band get's paid and later the bar is sued! Can you explain this. thanks
36 posted on 12/17/2001 12:10:54 PM PST by jpsb
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To: FreeTally
How much of that $15.99 do the musicians see?

Well, the publisher sees about 1.45 cents per minute after the initial recording of a song. It's actually much more complicated than that because there's a variety of different types of agreements producers, songwriters, and artists (not always the same people) can enter into.

Unless they have good lawyers, the answer is often zero.

I'm afraid you're right--a performer or songwriter can completely relinquish their rights if they don't attend closely to the type of agreements they sign.

37 posted on 12/17/2001 12:14:58 PM PST by Die Zaubertuba
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To: rustbucket
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38 posted on 12/17/2001 12:17:33 PM PST by Rustynailww
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To: jpsb
It is my understanding that bars that feature live music are now being sued by the RIAA. For royalities? Now I do not understand how this can be. A bar hires a band (for a lot of money) the band plays, the band get's paid and later the bar is sued! Can you explain this. thanks

I think you may be referring to isolated cases where the RIAA has attempted to sue bars who hire cover bands. I think technically, by the letter of the law, you or I can not set up at "Joe's Bar" and play Guns N Roses or Beatles tunes without the RIAA's permission. Of course, there are doznes or more bars in almost every major/minor city who have acts three or more times a week - and of course, they play cover tunes. This is how all bands start.

I may be wrong about what they are trying to file suit over. Its sounds silly that the RIAA would do this considering that "cover bands" have been around since the beginning of music.

I am not familar with any of these suits. It may actually be that they are trying to stop "Tribute" bands, who dress up like the performer, and do all of their songs. There are actually a few well known "tribute" bands that tour on a regional or national basis. Im not sure if these bands get "permission" or what.

39 posted on 12/17/2001 12:39:58 PM PST by FreeTally
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To: wideawake
Thanks for bringing that up. I sometimes forget that not everyone lives in a suburban or semi-rural area. I just can not relate to big cities....
40 posted on 12/17/2001 12:41:26 PM PST by FreeTally
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