Anti-Semitism - Hate Hits the Mainstream

You really caught it on this thread, didn't you! I've noticed sometimes how the issue of an entire thread gets buried by bickering over things that really aren't pertinent to the subject. This seems to be one of those threads. Guess it's human nature. Think of the last argument you got into with a loved one. Bet you remember having the argument but haven't a clue how it occurred. I know it happens in my life. I think one of the reasons hackles were raised here is that so many freepers are very sensitive to the fate of the Jews (me one of them) and, so, take offense to making light of the issue by arguing how "anti-semitism" is used. Just a thought. Sorry if I offended you.

You really caught it on this thread, didn't you! I've noticed sometimes how the issue of an entire thread gets buried by bickering over things that really aren't pertinent to the subject. This seems to be one of those threads. Guess it's human nature. Think of the last argument you got into with a loved one. Bet you remember having the argument but haven't a clue how it occurred. I know it happens in my life. I think one of the reasons hackles were raised here is that so many freepers are very sensitive to the fate of the Jews (me one of them) and, so, take offense to making light of the issue by arguing how "anti-semitism" is used. Just a thought. Sorry if I offended you.

I think that you sum it up quite well DD. You haven't offended me whatsoever. Rather, you have chosen a path which it appears so many others do not wish to explore, which is honest dissent framed in civil debate. Thank you.

Regardless of one's passions, however, I would like to comment outside of the context of my reply to you that nobody influences opinions by starting out lashing and flailing at their opponent with name calling tactics, or strutting around like little Napoleons "demanding" this that or the other. It just doesn't work that way I'm afraid.

Thank you for your measured and well thought out reply. I look forward to hearing from you again in other posts!

Would you care to expound on this statement a little?

A timely example would be the satisfaction most of us on FR feel at this time with what we are doing to the Taliban and alKhaeda. For an example on the other side, I refer to Osama's recent performance on tape.

Agree away. And please don't let any facts, outside the ones that are so neatly packaged and presented to you daily, to the exclusion of other equally valid facts that are deliberately gagged in the American press, deter you from your conclusions. Those conclusions are not uniquely yours and many people share them. This is your right.

But understand, there are still people out here (more than you'd like to admit) who understand that this country is supposed to be guided by 'The Rule of Law', not by blind hatred/blind alliegence for or against any 'group' of people (unless lawfully indicted and convicted).

And so, in our latest rush to judgement, Congress's role to lawfully declare war has been usurped by Presidential Decree, the Justice system's role to adjudicate guilt has been usurped by Presidential decree. And while that may be quite all right in the eyes of those with an 'agenda' that supercedes American sovereignty, it simply ain't all right with people who place American law and justice FIRST in the scheme of nations and people.

Please don't get the idea that I support AlQaeda, the Taleban OR OBL in any way, as I do not. Nor do I support the heinous behaviour of our 'allies', the northern alliance, whose admitted robberies, rapes, and other horrific acts against surviving afghans, is reprehensible. I look at Slobodon, suffering the humiliation of the Hague and wonder if that possibility lurks somewhere in America's future. (Also consider the similar charges against your other hero: Sharon)

I am sad that the reaction to the pain and anguish suffered by Americans on 911, was blind, blood revenge against the innocent people of the poorest nation on earth, who had absolutely no control over AlQaeda or OBL and who had no means to defend OR protect themselves and their families from our massive air attacks.

I don't claim to know God's plan as do some here, so all I can say is: ~~~~~Your 'evil ones', OBL and Omar have likely escaped ... just like Saddam ... just like Qadaffi. And more. But I have to say: I just hate 'co-incidences' like that because sooner or later they stop looking like coincidences.

On a personal note LCS, tell me: do Afghans not bleed real blood? Do they not grieve for their lost and maimed children? Do they not suffer from hunger and cold? Is it they who have no heart? And if you believe they do not, is that because they are Muslim, Israel's ancient blood enemy?

On a personal note LCS, tell me: do Afghans not bleed real blood? Do they not grieve for their lost and maimed children? Do they not suffer from hunger and cold? Is it they who have no heart?

I believe in a cold reality. The citizens of a country are responsible for the actions of their government, whatever the form of their government. The fact that they are still alive demonstrates that they did not do all they could have done to remove the Taliban. The same thing was true of the Germans in WWII. We should not go out of our way to harm civilians, and we obviously are not doing so. I see little evidence that Freepers, or Americans in general are particularly incensed at Afghanis, although there are exceptions, of course -- I have seen many attacks here on Bin Laden, Mullah Omar, the Taliban, and al Khaeda, all of whom are not worthy of any kind of mercy.

The major point I was making in my earlier post on this point was in response to the question of the cause of the hatred that gave rise to two world wars. An intrinsic if unlovely desire on the part of humans to inflict death and pain is likely one of the causes. To put it in religious terms, we are fallen, and evil is an intrinsic part of our natures.

Now you understand why English is often a difficult language for others to master. The literal definitions of the word roots (in this case semite) often have nothing to do with the actual meaning of the word itself. In this case antisemitism means speficially: 1. Hostility toward or prejudice against Jews or Judaism. 2. Discrimination against Jews. It does not mean a general prejudice towards all semites. Now, if you think this was fun, we can deconstruct the term "Aryan Race" and how far removed it is from the literal meanings of both Aryan and Race.

The citizens of a country are responsible for the actions of their government, whatever the form of their government.

Apparently someone thought American citizens were responsible for the actions of their government, too.

We should not go out of our way to harm civilians, and we obviously are not doing so

That million + dead Iraqi children must've just tripped over their shoelaces and exploded the bombs. And of course its their fault there's an embargo, too.

To put it in religious terms, we are fallen, and evil is an intrinsic part of our natures.

Is that to say, we've fallen and we can't get up .... or maybe that we should try to revise that 'intrinsic part'.

Your 'evil ones', OBL and Omar have likely escaped...

They have not 'escaped.'

They are ON THE RUN.

I know this will depress you, but we will get them. And we will kill them. They are dead men walking. And we kicked Saddam's rear whan he went into Kuwait.

Your glee at the 'escape' of the murderers of Americans is sickening. Good thing I have not had breakfast yet.

Apparently someone thought American citizens were responsible for the actions of their government, too.

"Either you are with us or you are with the terrorists."

And we kicked Saddam's rear whan he went into Kuwait.

No Veronica, we killed Iraqi people and took down the Iraqi military and destroyed the Iraqi economy. But Saddam's 'rear' is still quite active.

From what I've written, where do you discern anything remotely resembling 'glee'. I am filled with sadness that people just can't accept the fact that what we have managed to do through our failed foreign policies is create many more Osamas and Omars. I am frustrated to realize that most people have learned nothing about the action/reaction tendencies of the human species.

how about thread-hijacking Jew hater.

Now how in heck was anyone supposed to know that you OWNED all the threads pertaining to the Middle East? And how much fun would it be for the 'amen corner' to just open-endedly accuse-accuse-accuse if there wasn't anyone around to argue with about it?

"For an Arab to be anti-Semitic would be the same as a white person being anti-Caucasian."

Well there are whites who are anti-white but that's beside the point. Just as a Brazilian would not be called an American, so is an anti-semite someone who hates Jews, not all who would be considered semitic (many Jews would not be considered semitic).