Behold, the mighty Shem(p)
Posted on 12/17/2001 6:01:47 AM PST by veronica
Edited on 09/03/2002 4:49:48 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
-SNIP-Ominously, the Abu Dhabi series reflects the mainstreaming of anti-Semitism across the Arab world. Saudi Arabian and Egyptian TV are debating whether to air a 30-part miniseries, "Horseman Without a Horse," which is based on the debunked canard "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion," an early 20th century hoax by the Russian czar's secret police that purported to reveal a Jewish plan to dominate the world. The book, a virtual prescription for genocide, has been invoked by every Jew hater from Adolf Hitler to Louis Farrakhan. THE REST HERE ...
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Funny, I can’t see where you asked that on this thread. You seem to ask that rhetorically. I don’t see where either war had anything to do with Jews, other than as victims of persecution. I’m sorry you’re so puzzled about all this. Maybe someone will answer your question.
I'm still waiting for LJ to tell us his opinion of the article and its subject. He's gotten bogged down on word usage, but I still don't know what his stand is on the subject.
Then perhaps you should have directed a question towards me in this regards?
I know that racial hatred of all kinds is hard core in the Arabic world, and I know that they hate Israel and all things Jewish with a particular zeal. I don't really see this as any kind of "revelation", since it appears to be an extremely old component of their society.
I think that their attitude in regards to Israel is wrong, I think that their support of the Palestinians is wrong and is simply cover for their wanting to eliminate the state of Israel. If they cared about the Palestinians, why aren't they inviting them to live in their countries?
An Arabic country institutionalizing anti-Jewish hatred seems like old news, they've always been doing that, at least since 1949 on a "state" level, and back much farther in history on a timeline view. Their papers blare it daily, their mosques preach it at every opportunity, and their people openly salivate at the opportunity to "get rid" of Israel. The idea of a television channel broadcasting these same sentiments should hardly come as a surprise to anyone.
There you go, my official opinion. And thanks for being the first person to ask for it.
semitic \Sem*it"ic\, a. Of or pertaining to Shem or his descendants; belonging to that division of the Caucasian race which includes the Arabs, Jews, and related races. - Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary
Laffs...Sure there aren't any more restrictions you'd like to impose?
Behold, the mighty Shem(p)
I'll save you the time:
1: consisting of or amounting to a large but indefinite number
2 : being one of a large but indefinite number - as many : the same in number
I guess you'll want a definition of "large" and "indefinite" next?
IMHO, the passionate name-calling behind accusations of anti anything eliminates the possibliity of DISpassionate discourse about it and prevents arriving at a reasonable solution. The amazing thing is that I can't think of any other 'anti-anything' debates where there are such heroic attempts to exclude the opinions and questions of the opposition.
So what is the word for "anti-arab"?
Just because a group of racists in Vienna couldn't grasp the concept (or didn't want to extend their racial hatred to all semites), doesn't mean that we should be burdened with an inaccurate term.
Man, he was on prolific stooge!
I suppose we should all be happy that Moe wasn't the root cause of all of this problem. And a bunch of Larry's riding around on camels would be far too amusing to watch on tv without spitting out milk through my nose and into my breakfast cereal.
The Protocols of the Elders of Zion," an early 20th century hoax by the b Russian czar's secret police that purported to reveal a Jewish plan to dominate the world ... (from the article in question ...)
If that book is not anti-semitic, what the devil IS anti-semitic? (from your post, #101)
If it was the RUSSIANS who purportedly revealed this plan, why are you screaming at Americans instead of Russians.
Czarists made it up in the 1890's as a way to forment anti-Semetism. Remember it was the governm,ent of Czar's Alexander and Nicholas that gave teh world the term pogrom. Anti-semetism propoganda was a tool of the rascist regime to keep power by chaneling political activism, which was forming against the regime, into a more manageable form. Also, the Russian Cazars whipped up Russian Nationalism as a who and funding Slavophile institituions in order to suppress growing nationalism among Ukranians, Poles, Baltic peoples.... Some of the propoganda was ridiculous. At a time when the Russians had expanded to the Amur River, the Slavophiles were ranting about the next Mongol-tatar army which would sweep into Kiev.
Amazing, isn't it. Somehow your people managed to tick off the Germans and the Russians, and now somehow it seems that you're terrified that Americans might also become ticked off, but none of you are willing to openly and honestly debate what it WAS that so ticked off these other nations.
Blame the victim, why don't you! I'm sure the Crusaders taht decimated the Jewish communities along the Rhine also had reasons. The English had a clear reason (defaulting on debts and stealing property) when they expelled all Jews in the 13th century.
The truth is that almost all Anti-semetic actions come from jealousy and hatred. The Nazis not only wanted to exterminate Jews, but stole from us. I'm sure you would like the same.
I, for one, do NOT believe it was the regular, average German or Russian Jew that created these 'pograms', it was the Zionist idiology behind the scenes, vigorously supported by the average Jewish guy and gal on the street, that turned these people against ALL things Jewish.
Political Zionism was created after the Dreyfuss Affair in France, where the French wrongly convicted a Jewish officer for spying fo rthe Germans. What explains the anti-Semetism in France? What explains Anti-Semetism before 1888?
I suppose you think that the Klan was justified in the 1960's because the niggers became upity thanks to Scalawags and communists. (I'm using his language not mine. No offense intended to Blacks or to law-abiding Southerners.)
Kneejerk, backlash ... And yes, it IS happening here too because of the deep denial, name calling and hatred being displayed by Israel's powerful Amen corner here in America toward people who dare to question Israels expansionist policies, who dare to resent Israel's spying on her 'allies', and who dare to question Israel's incredible pre-eminence in determining US policies. Sometimes people are their own worst enemy. That's sad.
1. Expansionist policies? What are you talking about? Currently, Israel only controls the 1/3 of Palestine west of the Jordan river and is in negotiations to give up 1/3 of that land. The only expansionists I see are the revanchinst Muslims and their sympathysers in the west.
2. As for spying, why is it that Israeli intell is given by the US to the Arabs? The fact is that America spies on everyone and everyone spies on the US. The difference is that Israel does not pass the info on to America's mortal enemies.
3. What about the Arabist State department, the Oil industry, and the US arms industry which all favour the Arabs? Does the US give billions to Egypt and the PLO for Israel's sake?
You are making a fool of yourself.
1) I cut and pasted the definition of "antisemite" out of webster's dictionary.
2) I also stated that the way the word has been used in history conforms to the way it is define in the dictionary.
3) Therefore my definition of antisemite is correct de jure and de facto, if there is another standard that I am missing please fill me in.
The short answer to this you posted yourself on this thread "Consider the word 'original' in the same light as 'original sin'" -- That's right, the answer is 'original sin' or human nature. A somewhat longer answer is that killing is what we do best, most people enjoy it. Longer answers are available, I suggest that you take an international relations class for starters.
I don't think there is one, aside from "anti-arab" itself.
That's the great thing about the English language. There is no central authority like the French have. We make it up as we go along. Maybe we'll come up with another term for anti-arab someday.
->anti-Semite. This and the following two words are based on a misunderstanding, since Jews form only one group of Semites. Others are Arabians, Syrians, etc
p. 90, World Book Encyclopedia Dictionary, 1963 by Doubleday & Company, Inc., Library of Congress Catalog Card Number 63-7552.
The following words are anti-Semitic and anti-Semitism, which conform to the "anti-Jew" model you speak of.
Note, however, that even the World Book Dictionary makes this distinction, the very distinction that I was refering to in my original post. So not only is this a dictionary reference, it is also a historical reference which you mention only supports your view. In fact, I've shown evidence of this to the contrary.
Since I was not at home earlier, I could not make this complete reference, for which I appologize. Now that I have a reference that is credible (and also the first dictionary I picked up in paper format when I arrived home this evening), I surely hope that you at least concede that I have a legitimate point, even if you disagree with it.
I don't want to beat this to death, particularly since you understand the origin of the word and it's meaning. I'd probably take issue with the World Book's definition, though they make a valid point, it's just not how the word is used. I've never, never heard someone who is anti-Saudi, anti-Pallie, anti-Syrian referred to as anti-semitic.
Did you enjoy your first middle eastern thread? Fun, aren't they. You may have noticed the term used to describe those posters who dislike Jews. More frequently, you will notice the (dare I say, anti-semites) accusing others of using the term against them. If you surf some of the threads relating to Palestinians or Al Queida, you will notice equally harsh comments. One conversation you will never see:
Poster A (anti-Arab): I think we should kill all those Palestinians
Poster B: (pro-Arab): You are anti-semitic.
Just an observation. Fun talking to you.
Spamming the Israel threads with your anti-Israel/Jewish droppings are you?
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