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Anti-Semitism - Hate Hits the Mainstream
LA Times ^ | 12/17/01 | ABRAHAM COOPER

Posted on 12/17/2001 6:01:47 AM PST by veronica

Edited on 09/03/2002 4:49:48 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

-SNIP-Ominously, the Abu Dhabi series reflects the mainstreaming of anti-Semitism across the Arab world. Saudi Arabian and Egyptian TV are debating whether to air a 30-part miniseries, "Horseman Without a Horse," which is based on the debunked canard "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion," an early 20th century hoax by the Russian czar's secret police that purported to reveal a Jewish plan to dominate the world. The book, a virtual prescription for genocide, has been invoked by every Jew hater from Adolf Hitler to Louis Farrakhan. THE REST HERE ...

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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
So now Jesus and Mary, two Jews are the children of Satan, and this from a pretend Christian! Despicable.

No, we were discussing you and your friends, the non-jewish anti-zionists bent on the destruction of Israel. You have nothing in common with Yeshua or Miriam, zilch, nada, klum. It is all in your imagination. It is not real. You hate the children of Jacob out of your innate jealousy and cannot possibly know or represent the God of Jacob. It is spiritually impossible.

161 posted on 12/17/2001 10:35:30 AM PST by a_witness
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
and that I have been attacking the anti-semites here, not playing with them.

My apologies, friendly fire, I'd attend your funeral but it seems you will recover nicely. :)

162 posted on 12/17/2001 10:36:56 AM PST by a_witness
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To: Sabramerican
Yes, you too get to win!

I profusely appologize for being so brash as to suggest that the media should perhaps consider the source of words. I applogize for wanting people to see that the word "antisemite" is helping the racists in the Arab world in their hateful fight against Israel. I appologize for daring to question the wisdom of utilizing words designed by racists to confuse and blur meaning. You win.

I suppose you and others like you will do the same goofy lock step when I question the origin and use of the word "assault rifle" as well, right? No doubt.

163 posted on 12/17/2001 10:37:06 AM PST by Lumberjack
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To: Lumberjack
Arabs, by definition, cannot be anti-semitic. Semites are peoples of the Near East and Northern Africa, including Arabs, Arameans, Babylonians, Carthaginians, Ethiopians, Hebrews and Phoenicians.

Sorry, but in this modern society, anti-semitism specifically refers to the hatred of JEWISH semites and none other. Webster's dictionary states, "hostility toward or discrimination against Jews as a religious, ethnic, or racial group."

164 posted on 12/17/2001 10:37:09 AM PST by DallasDeb
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To: wimpycat
Wouldn't you agree that it's possible? I think it's possible for people to be anti-Zionist for reasons that aren't specific to Jews.

Logically yes, but in practise it never happens, even the Jewish anti Zionists are that for reasons specific to Jews.

165 posted on 12/17/2001 10:38:30 AM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: AppyPappy
You're right. It all depends on how they use the term. They may be trying to "pass".

I'm pro-Israel, which to me means that I support the modern state of Israel, but it also means, in a different sense, that I support the people Israel, which is all Jews in general. I don't think of the state of Israel and the people Israel as the same thing at all. The state is a political entity, just over 50 years old. The people are, of course, much older, with a much older history.

166 posted on 12/17/2001 10:39:03 AM PST by wimpycat
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To: PA Engineer; Lumberjack
Do you and your other friends from the stormfront tag team each other or do you act independently?

Actually, I think they're semi-independent connected by a lumbar jack.

167 posted on 12/17/2001 10:39:14 AM PST by Cachelot
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To: Lumberjack
I happen to have studied history, and can tell you that all Semitic people are supposedly the descendents of Shem (which includes both Arabs and Jews),

No one is arguing the point that Arabs are also semitic; however, the context of "anti-semitism" is JEWISH semites.

168 posted on 12/17/2001 10:40:10 AM PST by DallasDeb
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
There is no place in any decent society for people like you. Not out of prison that is.

Judge, jury, and warden. You've outed yourself, the self-appointed (T)hought (P)olice are back in town. Howdy, TP.

169 posted on 12/17/2001 10:40:51 AM PST by Ridin' Shotgun
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To: Cachelot
Do you and your other friends from the stormfront tag team each other or do you act independently? Actually, I think they're semi-independent connected by a lumbar jack.

Wow, neat. So my being pro-Israel, anti racist and otherwise very tolerant seems to rub you the wrong way. Hey, you get to Win Again(tm)!

Golly, I wish you lock steppers would bother to read posts as opposed to jumping on the bandwagon for the sake of looking "cool". But then, what else should I expect, right? That would require positive action and thought, which is gosh darn hard, right?

170 posted on 12/17/2001 10:43:10 AM PST by Lumberjack
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To: Lumberjack
It is a fool's errant to argue that words mean something other then what they mean.

Why is a cow a cow and not a sofa?

And would we ever know what the meaning of is, is?

171 posted on 12/17/2001 10:43:12 AM PST by Sabramerican
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To: Lumberjack
LOL!

http://www.dictionary.com/cgi-bin/disc.pl?term=semite

Your own website defines ANTI-semitism as the following: an·ti-Sem·i·tism (nt-sm-tzm, nt-)

1. Hostility toward or prejudice against Jews or Judaism.

2. Discrimination against Jews.

Check it out yourself. We are discussing "anti-semitism," not the definition of "semite."

172 posted on 12/17/2001 10:43:55 AM PST by DallasDeb
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To: veronica; Ridin' Shotgun
Segwae

*Segue* - Einstein.

Actually, I think he's trying to improve. I distinctly remember him using "segway" before. Maybe he's just learning English?

173 posted on 12/17/2001 10:45:28 AM PST by Cachelot
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To: Ridin' Shotgun;Admin Moderator
Judge, jury, and warden.--Let us see --'If you turn over a rock and there are a dozen centipedes under it, are you supposed to stomp all but one of them? AFP attempts to uncover and stomp them all.'

Better judge and jury than universal executioner, you vile Nazi. I don't know how long your future will be on this Forum, but I measure it it minutes.

174 posted on 12/17/2001 10:47:40 AM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: Sabramerican;LumberJack
It is a fool's errant to argue that words mean something other then what they mean.

This poor newbie thinks he is the universal ruler of the meaning of words. But look at the scum that have climed out from under the rocks around here.

175 posted on 12/17/2001 10:50:24 AM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: DallasDeb
No one is arguing the point that Arabs are also semitic; however, the context of "anti-semitism" is JEWISH semites.

First, thank you for being one of the handful of people here who are attempting to address me politely. I appreciate the effort. :)

If you read the entire thread, you'll see my argument stems from the incorrect origin of the word, as coined by proto-Nazis, and which is now accepted carte blance. I know that common usage is "anti-jewish", but the word is used by many hatemongers in the world (Arabs in this case) to play dodging word games when confronted with their horrible philosophy of murdering Jews. I posit that to continue to use charged words such as this allows propagandists from the other side to continue their cheap games.

Of course, so many here have blinders on and are jumping on the bandwagon so they can look "cool" to their buddies, that the point eludes most of them. Doesn't seem to stop their ranting. An amazing thing, mob psychology.

176 posted on 12/17/2001 10:51:29 AM PST by Lumberjack
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To: Lumberjack
Hey, you get to Win Again(tm)!

I know. I always win. Kinda boring, but what can you do?

You gave the game away when you claimed that "antisemitism" was a word specifically invented to confuse the issue of race hatred. You can't possibly be as mindless as that. So your game is another one, that of "bleaching" the quite stigmatizing (and well-defined) label of "antisemite". So many of you folks really don't like to be stuck with a term that most people know what means, and brings most people into a closer knowledge of the term "projectile vomit".

177 posted on 12/17/2001 10:51:45 AM PST by Cachelot
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
Better judge and jury than universal executioner, you vile Nazi.

Calm down before you have a stroke. Try to find a post where I suggested that ANY one should be executed. That's all coming from YOUR side of the fence. Find a post where I suggested that the vile Nazi's were anything BUT vile. When you throw mud, all you accomplish is to lose ground and get your hands dirty.

178 posted on 12/17/2001 10:55:24 AM PST by Ridin' Shotgun
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To: Lumberjack
I'm sorry. Really.

Anti-Semitic means anti-Jewish.

Anti-Semites use your argument to imply that there is no such hatreds. That argument is only a step away from them denying the Holocaust.

While you may have had good intentions, you don't want to be on the side of those who carry that banner.

179 posted on 12/17/2001 10:55:29 AM PST by Sabramerican
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To: Cachelot
I'm going to give him the benefit on the doubt.
180 posted on 12/17/2001 10:56:20 AM PST by Sabramerican
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