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Anti-Semitism - Hate Hits the Mainstream
LA Times ^ | 12/17/01 | ABRAHAM COOPER

Posted on 12/17/2001 6:01:47 AM PST by veronica

Edited on 09/03/2002 4:49:48 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

-SNIP-Ominously, the Abu Dhabi series reflects the mainstreaming of anti-Semitism across the Arab world. Saudi Arabian and Egyptian TV are debating whether to air a 30-part miniseries, "Horseman Without a Horse," which is based on the debunked canard "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion," an early 20th century hoax by the Russian czar's secret police that purported to reveal a Jewish plan to dominate the world. The book, a virtual prescription for genocide, has been invoked by every Jew hater from Adolf Hitler to Louis Farrakhan. THE REST HERE ...

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To: veronica
You pick all that up at THE SPOTLIGHT?

Are you insinuating that I cannot think for myself?

Or whatever they call themselves now?

That would be the American Free Pree , available online for any who would like to see it. BTW, thanks for another segwae.

By the way is our President, who fully supports Israel, on your list of the wrongheaded?

I don't know Veronica, do you think Clinton was incapable of being 'wrongheaded' merely because he carried the title of President?

141 posted on 12/17/2001 10:07:58 AM PST by Ridin' Shotgun
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To: Don Joe
Actually, I think the word you're looking for is "captious."
142 posted on 12/17/2001 10:10:10 AM PST by Poohbah
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To: Ridin' Shotgun
Segwae

*Segue* - Einstein.

So yes, you read the new Spotlight (a virulently anti-Semitic publication) and yes, you think Bush is wrong to support Israel.

143 posted on 12/17/2001 10:12:36 AM PST by veronica
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To: Lumberjack;sargoniv
Well, until this post I had thought that you were attempting to have polite debate.

It would be easier if you know the conventions, rules if you will, of using FR. The words you objected to were in a quote which I was responding to, from a post which had been sent by the primary postee. I flagged you, because I thought it rather humourous that he was trying to define how names SHOULD be used, as you were trying to define how words SHOULD be used. Thus, I was not talking to you, but to sargoniv, primarily. So before you get huffy about something which is posted, MAKE SURE IT WAS AIMED AT YOU.

144 posted on 12/17/2001 10:14:00 AM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: Lumberjack;sargoniv
Well, until this post I had thought that you were attempting to have polite debate.

It would be easier if you know the conventions, rules if you will, of using FR. The words you objected to were in a quote which I was responding to, from a post which had been sent by the primary postee. I flagged you, because I thought it rather humourous that he was trying to define how names SHOULD be used, as you were trying to define how words SHOULD be used. Thus, I was not talking to you, but to sargoniv, primarily. So before you get huffy about something which is posted, MAKE SURE IT WAS AIMED AT YOU.

145 posted on 12/17/2001 10:14:10 AM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: a_witness; AppyPappy
witness: You cannot hate the one and love the other. It is spiritually impossible. ... and I used the word 'hate' where .....?

AppyPappy: "The slut was asking for it" mentality. ... and I used the word 'slut' where ....?

146 posted on 12/17/2001 10:17:12 AM PST by Ridin' Shotgun
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To: Ridin' Shotgun
I didn't say you did.
148 posted on 12/17/2001 10:18:38 AM PST by AppyPappy
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
Because, for better or for worse, that is, by ordinary usage, the meaning of the word. This is not 1984 and we do not speak Newspeak. Neither the government, individuals, or groups can control the meaning of a word. It evolves over time, out of rational control.

Then you've missed the point of the reply you pulled my quote from.

It did *NOT* evolve, it means exactly what it was intended to mean, and it is intentionally two sided. I'm not saying people can't use it, don't have that power, don't want it. I won't stop pointing out that the word, by its origin and meaning, is incorrect.

IOW, if we were debating the meaning of the word "cool", or whatever, I would wholeheartedly agree with you. The word change would come from social use of millions of people over time. This word, antisemitism, was created to confuse the issue of racism/genocide, and is still being used to confuse the issue today by those who are attempting to perpetrate these acts.

But you know what? It just doesn't matter. I've been called everything under the sun but a nice guy for daring to suggest that some Jew hating German propagandist is the wrong source to garner one's definitions from. Whatever.

149 posted on 12/17/2001 10:20:23 AM PST by Lumberjack
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To: Ridin' Shotgun;Sidebar Moderator;veronica
Israel's powerful Amen corner here in America

I believe that you have just stepped off the deep end, buddy. You have suddenly exposed yourself as a clear anti-semite, when you refer to 'openly and honestly debate what it WAS that so ticked off these other nations'. This is not holocaust denial, it is holocaust JUSTIFICATION. There is no place in any decent society for people like you. Not out of prison that is.

150 posted on 12/17/2001 10:22:30 AM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: a_witness;Sidebar Moderator;SJackson
No, they are simply following their father, the dragon as he persecutes the woman.

So now Jesus and Mary, two Jews are the children of Satan, and this from a pretend Christian! Despicable.

151 posted on 12/17/2001 10:25:28 AM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
Re: #113 Theoretically speaking, if a person is against the creation of the modern state of Israel for the same reasons that he would apply to any other scenario or group, I wouldn't call that person anti-Semitic. Wouldn't you agree that it's possible? I think it's possible for people to be anti-Zionist for reasons that aren't specific to Jews. I happen to be pro-Israel, so the argument is purely theoretical to me.

BTW, I noticed that you are now starting to qualify your demand by asking for an example of an anti-Zionist who isn't Jewish, so you've just conceded the point that the two aren't one and the same, even though anti-Zionist Jews seem to have their own specific reason for it.

152 posted on 12/17/2001 10:26:34 AM PST by wimpycat
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To: KirbyJ
It seems that the Brits have not let the Jews take control of their political system and their media.

Whose political system and media DO they control?

153 posted on 12/17/2001 10:26:53 AM PST by AppyPappy
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To: wimpycat
I think the concept is that people who call themselves "Anti-Zionist" are actually Anti-Semites trying to "pass".
154 posted on 12/17/2001 10:28:06 AM PST by AppyPappy
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To: veronica; Ridin' Shotgun
you clearly have no decent retort.

Did you expect him to? There's nothing decent about him. How should he manage to dredge up something decent from old Spotlight files? Only thing he hasn't posted is an analysis on ol' Carto's snot being a sharp competitor for Viagra. Or maybe he has. I should learn to check my spam instead of piping it to dev null.

155 posted on 12/17/2001 10:28:24 AM PST by Cachelot
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To: Lumberjack
Call me a ....

Can I have a multiple choice?

156 posted on 12/17/2001 10:29:35 AM PST by Sabramerican
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
So now Jesus and Mary, two Jews are the children of Satan, and this from a pretend Christian! Despicable.

You misunderstood that remark. That person was equating non-support of Israel with being against Jesus. That person was saying that if you're against Israel, you're against God, and therefore you are following your spiritual father, who, if it isn't God, it must be Satan.

157 posted on 12/17/2001 10:29:45 AM PST by wimpycat
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To: a_witness
President Bush likes the term the evil ones to describe the group you want to play with.

It is conceivable that we have been misreading each other. You do know that President Bush has been referring to certain Muslims, anti-semites, as the evil ones, and that I have been attacking the anti-semites here, not playing with them. If you are not one of them, my mistake, and my sincere apologies. If you are one of them, you are most disgenuous.

159 posted on 12/17/2001 10:30:51 AM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: Leroy S. Mort
Many

Since so many on this thread have their dictionary out, maybe someone can help you with the word "many".

160 posted on 12/17/2001 10:32:57 AM PST by Sabramerican
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