Anti-Semitism - Hate Hits the Mainstream

LA Times ^ | 12/17/01 | ABRAHAM COOPER

[veronica]

-SNIP-Ominously, the Abu Dhabi series reflects the mainstreaming of anti-Semitism across the Arab world. Saudi Arabian and Egyptian TV are debating whether to air a 30-part miniseries, "Horseman Without a Horse," which is based on the debunked canard "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion," an early 20th century hoax by the Russian czar's secret police that purported to reveal a Jewish plan to dominate the world. The book, a virtual prescription for genocide, has been invoked by every Jew hater from Adolf Hitler to Louis Farrakhan. THE REST HERE ...

[Ridin' Shotgun]

You've lost your position as queen of the definers, since you can only answer my question with questions that don't address the original question.

[Lucius Cornelius Sulla]

Its a living, breathing document, right?

No it is a living, breathing word, not a document or a law. Words change in meaning. The Bill of Rights says that Freedom of the Press shall not be infringed. Would you like it if the courts would say, heck it says the press, we can censor the TV, radio, and internet all we want?

[Lucius Cornelius Sulla]

if you are not Italian , from the proper region, you should not use one of our names

sargoniv, meet LumberJack. LumberJack, meet sargoniv. By the way sargoniv, what kind of Italian word is sargoniv? Sounds Persian to me.

[veronica]

You stated a fact I disputed it - you clearly have no decent retort.

To all:

BTW - "Anti-Zionism = Anti-Semitism" - Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

[Leroy S. Mort]

Please give an example of a known anti-Zionist who is definitively known not to be anti-semitic.

Many orthodox Jews consider the proclamation of a Jewish State without the Messiah to be a sin. They could hardly be classified as anti-semitic as a result.

[veronica]

Bump I posted a link to that below as well.

[SJackson]

Since we're on anti's, is support for this man un-American?

Palestinian To Suceed Osama as Al Qaeda Chief

[Lumberjack]

Ok, let's dispense with this argument point blank. The word was coined, if you read previous posts, to confuse people about racial hatred/genocidal policies by a 19th c. German Jew Hating political party. This was not a word that "evolved" over decades to mean something else, it was created first and formost to confuse. The very point of confusion is the fact I originally posited, and I think that this is important to remember.

Now, people who mean no harm to Israel are clinging to the very word that allows others (the specific Arabs in this case)to make goofy claims about how they are not 'antisemitic' when in fact they would rather kill a Jew than look at him/her. Why enable the enemy by using a fabricated word that incorrectly represents a thought you are trying to convey? When one accepts the propagandist's definition of words, who gains and who suffers? Are Arabs today NOT claiming anything different when you use this word? That is their cheap little syntax word weapon, and people here have bought it hook, line and sinker.

I completely understand and have no problem with the "over time evolution" of language. I completely disagree with words designed to obfuscate meaning and allow dangerous assumptions to be smuggled into a political discussion. Policy is often the result of discussions of this nature (albeit not ours here on FR, to my knowledge, but political servants have the same discussions with the same base assumptions I'm sure).

Now do you and others see why I have a problem with this?

[Lumberjack]

if you are not Italian , from the proper region, you should not use one of our names sargoniv, meet LumberJack. LumberJack, meet sargoniv. By the way sargoniv, what kind of Italian word is sargoniv? Sounds Persian to me.

Well, until this post I had thought that you were attempting to have polite debate. Why is it wrong to question an assumption, to the point people consider questioning intolerant? Perhaps you may want to read *all* of my prior posts on this thread, and others in the forum, before you make these kinds of assummptions.

Remember, I suggested that the media should not use imprecise words, that was all. No commandments, not "thou shalt nots", nothing, just a suggestion.

Do whatever you wish, its not my business, never has been. To question the root meaning of a word doesn't mean that I somehow "forbid" its use, any more than you could forbid me from speaking. You'll find, if you bother, that I'm very, very tolerant of others. But thank you for implying otherwise.

[Ridin' Shotgun]

The Protocols of the Elders of Zion," an early 20th century hoax by the b Russian czar's secret police that purported to reveal a Jewish plan to dominate the world ... (from the article in question ...)

If that book is not anti-semitic, what the devil IS anti-semitic? (from your post, #101)

If it was the RUSSIANS who purportedly revealed this plan, why are you screaming at Americans instead of Russians.

Amazing, isn't it. Somehow your people managed to tick off the Germans and the Russians, and now somehow it seems that you're terrified that Americans might also become ticked off, but none of you are willing to openly and honestly debate what it WAS that so ticked off these other nations.

I, for one, do NOT believe it was the regular, average German or Russian Jew that created these 'pograms', it was the Zionist idiology behind the scenes, vigorously supported by the average Jewish guy and gal on the street, that turned these people against ALL things Jewish. Kneejerk, backlash ... And yes, it IS happening here too because of the deep denial, name calling and hatred being displayed by Israel's powerful Amen corner here in America toward people who dare to question Israels expansionist policies, who dare to resent Israel's spying on her 'allies', and who dare to question Israel's incredible pre-eminence in determining US policies. Sometimes people are their own worst enemy. That's sad.

[a_witness]

". . . You declare, my friend, that you do not hate the Jews, you are merely 'anti-Zionist.' And I say, let the truth ring forth from the high mountain tops, let it echo through the valleys of God's green earth: When people criticize Zionism, they mean Jews -- this is God's own truth. ... "

Excellent find!

[Lucius Cornelius Sulla]

Many orthodox Jews consider the proclamation of a Jewish State without the Messiah to be a sin. They could hardly be classified as anti-semitic as a result.

You are correct. Now name me a non-Jewish anti-Zionist who is not anti-semitic.

[veronica]

You pick all that up at THE SPOTLIGHT? Or whatever they call themselves now? Classic, truly 'classic.' By the way is our President, who fully supports Israel, on your list of the wrongheaded?

[a_witness]

And yes, it IS happening here too because of the deep denial, name calling and hatred being displayed by Israel's powerful Amen corner here in America toward people who dare to question Israels expansionist policies, who dare to resent Israel's spying on her 'allies', and who dare to question Israel's incredible pre-eminence in determining US policies. Sometimes people are their own worst enemy. That's sad.

No, they are simply following their father, the dragon as he persecutes the woman. They are blind or deluded, sputtering hatred and denial against the seed of Jacob whom they hate because they have never loved the God of Jacob. You cannot hate the one and love the other. It is spiritually impossible.

[Lucius Cornelius Sulla]

please don't use italian names, we are a private people who don't care for other groups pretending to be one on us.

If, by any chance, you are serious about this, and really mean that as a member of Western Civilization I can't refer to the founders of that Civilization, LOL. I will pay this the same heed as I will Russel Means, when he says I can't cheer for the Atlanta Braves. (Actually I'd never root for the Braves, but not because an American Indian tells me not to do so.)

[AppyPappy]

it was the Zionist idiology behind the scenes, vigorously supported by the average Jewish guy and gal on the street, that turned these people against ALL things Jewish.

The ole "The slut was asking for it" mentality. Geez, you folks will believe anything.

[a_witness]

President Bush likes the term the evil ones to describe the group you want to play with. You might want to discuss it with John Walker AKA Abdul whatever.

[Lucius Cornelius Sulla]

Why enable the enemy by using a fabricated word that incorrectly represents a thought you are trying to convey?

Because, for better or for worse, that is, by ordinary usage, the meaning of the word. This is not 1984 and we do not speak Newspeak. Neither the government, individuals, or groups can control the meaning of a word. It evolves over time, out of rational control.