Posted on 12/16/2001 1:53:14 PM PST by MHGinTN
I would appreciate it if some knowledgeable Pro-life people could help me see if there are any biased questions in the Gallop poles. If some of the questions are biased, how should they be changed to become unbiased?
I am not asking this to be argumentative. I just want your opinions on the fairness of the Gallop Abortion Polls.
Semantics? How about phonics?
At age 18, young people are thrown, bound and gagged, onto the street of life. For those who go to college, it's age 22. With children raised on TV/MTV and popular music, it's amazing that there's anything left of our culture.
The first thing we do is kill all the government schools...
Indeed it does. De-humanizing the child by calling him or her a "fetus" or "undifferentiated clump of cells" has been remarkably successful
--as was the pseudo-compassionate German phrase "Lebensunwertes Leben" (life unworthy of living), deployed to promote the idea of "mercy-killing," 60 years ago.
My 15 year old recently asked me, When did we get this subject called "social studies"? (He'd somehow hit upon the idea that it wasn't always called that.) I told him the education establishment renamed history and geography back in the '40s and '50s, the better to promote socialism.
1- kids whose parents give a hoot about them, and
2- kids whose parents are content to let "everyone else raise their children...."
The former group seems to turn out OK, the latter are little barbarians.... at our gates!
I have maintained for several year that rhetoric is no longer taught because it is being used against us. Logic is no longer taught because it would protect us.
Shalom.
The pro-aborts go one step further. Make those you have dehumanized thank you for protecting their right to be dehumanized.
I'm speaking, of course, of the woman who is dehumanized by asking someone to destroy her child. She debases herself into a pleasure-machine, destroys her own child so she doesn't have to complicate the life of the man she's been servicing (or because she can't find him anymore), and then turns around and thanks the pro-aborts for protecting her rights.
It makes me weep.
Shalom.
Just so you know, I don't bring G-d into the abortion debate because I think it is interesting or because I think G-d is the only way to answer abortion. I bring G-d in because G-d is in everything I do. I died to myself a long time ago and now live for Him. G-d is in the abortion debate, the gun debate, the tofu debate (at least, the debate in my house), and the hangnail debate (for Dr. Kopp). There is no part of life that G-d is not lord over.
I'm sorry if that bothers you. I don't say it to bother you. I say it so you will understand. Asking me to leave G-d out of it is like asking me to leave oxygen out of it. He is the very air I breathe.
At least JMJ was speaking compassion towards the abortionists. If she had echoed the 'rot in hell' sentiment to which she was replying, would you have preferred that?
Shalom.
Um...they're already inside the gates.
Shalom.
The former group seems to turn out OK, the latter are little barbarians.... at our gates! 45 posted by backhoe Like Pogo, I fear that having seen the enemy, the barbarians amongst US, 'they are US'!
But something else that is odd, is even my pro-choice friends admit that it is wrong to them, they just don't think anyone should have a say in what a woman is suppose to do with her body. Interesting they would admit to me it's WRONG. 49 posted by SpookBrat A most poignant observation, my Freeper friend! In your opinion, would discussion comparing the lifetime already begun for the preborn as weighed against a few months of pregnancy for the mother to give life support be useful?... I ask because I am constantly in debates with pro-abortion folks where they appear to admit just as you've cited, but something doesn't click to bring them into consciousness of the individual lifetime running along already in the womb! My strategy is usually to avoid religious arguments with abortion debates, in favor of the clear scientific proof of an individual life running in the borrowed womb and the appeal to American values of life and liberty. Do you think it would be fruitful to appeal to the sense of fairness weighing a lifetime against a few months of inconvenience?... With the caveat that our nation put or tax dollars where our sentiments are, with supporting the little ones to be rejected by their mothers; a situation that would start as a costly enterprise, but which would quickly evolve into a socital affirmation of the life of the little ones and thus the greater valuation on keeping and raising the children, all children.
I have maintained for several year that rhetoric is no longer taught because it is being used against us. Logic is no longer taught because it would protect us. 46 posted by Woahhs A kean observation! You are aware that science of the preborn, the truth of prenatal life, bespeaks a unique individual lifetime begun --at the very least-- with implantation, and that any purposeful termination of life support from that implantation onward is abortion; so how might one deal with a group of agenda-driven people who wish to obfuscate the raw truth, using science when they can twist their sometimes ambiguous claims over clear data to support their death cultist beliefs, then switch to irrational emotional arguments when science slaps their assertions into the dust?
I'm speaking, of course, of the woman who is dehumanized by asking someone to destroy her child. She debases herself into a pleasure-machine, destroys her own child ... 50 posted on 12/17/01 10:21 AM Eastern by ArGee It is one of the mysteries of iniquity that the human mind can delude itself so easily. And what a shame that our women can be so easily deluded to support serial killing of the unborn ripped from their God-blessed female bodies! It boggles the mind how effective the satanic influence has become as technology as grown more and more to be depended upon.
I think there is also a divide amongst those with children and those without. Likewise it sometimes seems that conservative men are disproportianally pro-life ....maybe more so than any demographic ...slightly edging out so-called conservative women....
These are just my observations.....I actually had a long conversation oddly at deer camp about this and amongst the men it was nearly unanimous but some of the women waffled. And all were essentially Southern conservatives. I don't think anyone but the fembots applaud abortion. My cousin at camp expressed the view that one day folks will look back and wonder how we tolerated this abomination in much the same way folks look back at the Germans and wonder how they could allow the systematic murders to go on right under their noses. Well put.
Polls are inherently flawed and exploited and skewed.
WOW! I like you more everyday. This was powerful. Thank you for putting it so eloquently.
I wish I could take credit, but it's a misquote from one of the songs we sing in Church.
This is the air I breathe,
This is the air I breathe,
Your Holy Spirit living in me.
Sorry, I can't remember the lyricist. Shalom.
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