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To: Orblivion
Really?? You better not tell that to my Pastor. He places blame for the marriage break-up directly on the husband.

If you check out the scene in the garden of Eden, you will notice that Adam was present while the serpent was in the process of deceiving Eve. GOD had given ADAM responsibility for the garden (not Eve). After Eve ate the apple, what happened?? Nothing! But, when Adam disobeyed GOD and ate of the apple too, then and only then were he and Eve affected. But, remember, Adam stood there and watched Eve eat the apple. He could have stopped her. He could have taken her directly to GOD at that point and I believe GOD would have forgiven them. Instead, Adam participated in the disobedience.

And ... after Adam had disobeyed GOD, he and Eve went into hiding. When GOD showed up in the garden to walk and talk with ADAM (not Eve), what was it GOD said to ADAM? I'll tell you - God said, "ADAM, what have Y O U done"?? Hmmmm? How come GOD didn't say, Eve what have you done?? Because GOD holds the husband responsible for the actions of his wife!!

And ... just to rub salt in the wound, ADAM tried to make GOD responsible by saying, "it was the woman YOU gave me".

When husbands take their place in the relationship, the wife always responds in the most positive way. And, husbands, whether you like it or not, GOD does hold you responsible for the relationship.

258 posted on 12/16/2001 12:44:12 AM PST by Sueann
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To: Sueann
Sue, How about a little lightness on the religious stuff. Lot's of people are very religious and still get divorced. Have a good day, and pray!!!!
261 posted on 12/16/2001 12:48:20 AM PST by Gracey
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To: Sueann
Husbands used to be legally in full control. So two hundred years ago, I would not have minded holding them responsible for marital success.

But this is the era of feminist jurisprudence, and in the 50% of cases where wife is at fault, wife should not come out on top.

265 posted on 12/16/2001 12:54:28 AM PST by Dr. Octagon
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To: Sueann
If you check out the scene in the garden of Eden, you will notice that Adam was present while the serpent was in the process of deceiving Eve. GOD had given ADAM responsibility for the garden (not Eve). After Eve ate the apple, what happened?? Nothing! But, when Adam disobeyed GOD and ate of the apple too, then and only then were he and Eve affected

I remember a great sermon about this. One difference- the pastor said that Adam was to tend the garden, i.e. he should have kept the serpent out in the first place. Thus, Adam allowed the serpent to tempt Eve. Moral: men need to mow the lawn...or something. Actually, as my husband and I have mutually agreed- no matter what, it is always his fault. LOL!
296 posted on 12/16/2001 2:15:06 AM PST by pops88
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To: Sueann
When husbands take their place in the relationship, the wife always responds in the most positive way.

Sorry Sueann. I have to flatly deny this claim. Been there...done that.

BTW I also have to disagree with your pastor. There is no textual evidence that Adam was physically present when Eve ate the fruit. It may or may not be inferred, but there is no positive textual proof of it.

312 posted on 12/16/2001 5:43:35 AM PST by Woahhs
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To: Sueann
When husbands take their place in the relationship, the wife always responds in the most positive way. And, husbands, whether you like it or not, GOD does hold you responsible for the relationship

Yes God does hold men repsonsible, but he holds women responsible as well. And I also would disagree that the wife doesn't ALWAYS respond in the most positive way. I can testify to that personally and I blame a lot on culture and this whole idea of 'finding yourself'. Listened to a sermon just today that a lot of the issues are brought upon by the fact that we have become a right here, right now world and the world culture is teaching that unless you're getting everything out of the relationship that you want(be it status, possessions, wealth, etc) then you not only have the right to leave, but the responsibility to leave and go find what makes you 'happy'. Interestingly enough, the sermon was 24 years old and is still true today.

321 posted on 12/16/2001 3:00:45 PM PST by billbears
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