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Russia backs U.S. gun-control advocates
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | By Toby Westerman

Posted on 12/13/2001 9:48:59 AM PST by expose

WEAPONS OF CHOICE

Russia backs U.S. gun-control advocates

Claims firearm manufacturers profit from Americans' fears

By Toby Westerman

© 2001 WorldNetDaily.com

Making a link between U.S. gun sales and "global instability," Moscow has lent its support to American gun-control advocates.

Russia supports restrictions on U.S. gun ownership, according to official sources, pointing out that after the events of Sept. 11 gun sales in the United States increased.

The blame for increased gun sales, according to Moscow and anti-gun activists, lies with gun manufacturers.

"American firearms manufacturers saw their chance at profiting from the tragedy of people scared of threats from international terrorists," Moscow declared. Asserting that "a nationwide campaign has been launched to advertise pistols and guns," Moscow referred to a recent press conference held to "draw attention to gun makers' marketing efforts." The event included participation by Rep. Henry Waxman, D-Calif., Rep. Carolyn McCarthy, D-N.Y., and Nan Aron, president of the Alliance for Justice.

The statements were reported by the Voice of Russia World Service, the official broadcasting service of the Russian government.

The broadcast referred to two instances of the criminal use of firearms in the U.S. – a shooting in Indiana and the arrest of an individual for illegal possession of weapons near the White House – and declared that the crimes were "facts testifying to the spread of small arms in the country."

Moscow also constructed a strained connection between terrorists and gun-sales campaigns following 9-11. After noting that the U.S. State Department has threatened to deport aliens connected with some 39 organizations suspected of assisting terrorist groups, the link was made to gun sales.

"There are still a large number of people in the United States who could use the gun-sales campaign for criminal purposes," Moscow reasoned, and then called for "certain measures inside the United States, which would obstruct the terrorist activity."

Observers note that, since using weapons for criminal purposes is – by definition – illegal, Moscow's reference to "certain measures inside the United States" translates into restrictions on gun ownership for U.S. citizens.

The sale of a "United We Stand" 9-millimeter pistol – patterned after those used by U.S. military personnel – by the U.S. division of the Italian arms maker Beretta irked both Moscow and participants in the anti-gun news conference.

Beretta's promise to pay a portion of the sale of each pistol to survivors and relatives of the Sept. 11 attacks was particularly irritating to the gun-control advocates.

Moscow cited remarks from firearms opponent Aron who condemned Beretta's contribution offer, stating that "we shouldn't seek to help the victims of one senseless tragedy by increasing the likelihood of more senseless tragedies."

Moscow added that "the spread of small arms causes concern in many countries," and referred to a recent conference in the Russian capital linking "global instability with the spread of small arms."

The anti-gun activists with whom Moscow found close agreement are strengthening their efforts and are attempting to make the anti-gun movement into a youth crusade.

Aron's group, the Alliance for Justice, has opened a new website, Gun Industry Watch, dedicated to monitoring the "gun industry and the National Rifle Association."

The new anti-gun group proclaims itself to be "a new student watchdog network" that will examine "the manufacturing, marketing and sale of guns." The group promises to "take direct action aimed at gun makers and the gun lobby," including "exposing and boycotting corporate partners and sponsors of the gun lobby."

Gun Industry Watch claims that it is the "fastest growing student network in the country."

Moscow's connection of U.S. gun sales to problems of "global stability" are not new. In late July, the U.N. Conference on the Illicit Trade in Small Arms and Light Weapons concluded its deliberations.

Due to substantial U.S. pressure, the conference refrained from issuing a global call for "regulation on the ownership of small arms."

Observers note that many of the nations at the conference have placed severe small arms restrictions on their populations, and many of these same governments – as well as the leaders of these governments themselves – are regularly accused of murder, fraud and intimidation of their defenseless citizens.


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To: nevergore
Tell your friend that on my visit to Belarus, I found that many people had at least a shotgun. I was fishing in Mogilev oblast and I never saw so many people walking around the woods with guns. Not military types, just good old boys. The main reason it seems that only elites own guns is due to financial reasons...if you only make $50 a month it's hard to buy nice guns. Your guest can relate to that I'm sure ;)
61 posted on 12/13/2001 11:10:21 AM PST by Sender
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To: expose
bttt
63 posted on 12/13/2001 11:15:51 AM PST by jslade
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To: Jefferson Adams
WAAAAAHHH!!! Not fair!!! I wanna select-fire AK-74 for $100.00!!!

I'd take a Styer AUG any day of the week. Standard firearm of the Swiss, and they're allowed to keep them in their houses. Now, I wonder why the Swiss don't have the crime rate like America does? 8)

64 posted on 12/13/2001 11:16:06 AM PST by zandtar
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To: wwjdn
Of course they do, a nation without guns cannot defend itself.

Why do you think the Russian Mafia is so entrenched in Russia and the former Soviet countries? When the government takes away the citizens ability to defend themselves, that leaves only the police and the mafia with guns. Wolves amongst sheep.

65 posted on 12/13/2001 11:20:16 AM PST by zandtar
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To: expose
Suspicions confirmed - All gun control nuts are Communists.
66 posted on 12/13/2001 11:20:58 AM PST by 45Auto
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To: zandtar
Now, I wonder why the Swiss don't have the crime rate like America does?

It must be the chocolate. 8)

67 posted on 12/13/2001 11:22:26 AM PST by gundog
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To: zandtar
Why do you think the Russian Mafia is so entrenched in Russia and the former Soviet countries? When the government takes away the citizens ability to defend themselves, that leaves only the police and the mafia with guns. Wolves amongst sheep.

Yep, you have it right there...

68 posted on 12/13/2001 11:27:23 AM PST by wwjdn
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To: El Gato
Over 50 million AK 47's have been produced by the former Soviet Union and its former Eastern European colonies, to say nothing of the cheaper SKS model; many of these have been sold to paramilitary outfits (and terrorists) around the world, a move which was Actively promoted by the damn Russians who are always on the lookout to make a little extra cash. Who the hell do they think they're kidding? Also, a central theme of Marxism is a disarmed and controllable population of slaves. So, for the US anti-gun, anti-freedom, Brady Bunch to hitch their wagon to the LOSERS known as the FORMER Soviet Union means they have really run out of steam and are grasping at straws. P.O. them.
69 posted on 12/13/2001 11:28:46 AM PST by 45Auto
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To: expose
For the US enemies of freedom to attach themselves willingly to a bunch of totalitarians, is folly and bound to be a PR disaster. What better reason for the average US citizen to remain armed and free?
70 posted on 12/13/2001 11:32:33 AM PST by 45Auto
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To: expose
Of course they do, If they decided to attack us they wouldn't want to have to face the Military & an armed Civilian militia to would they?
72 posted on 12/13/2001 12:07:46 PM PST by HELLRAISER II
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To: jslade
re #50 I WANT ONE!
73 posted on 12/13/2001 12:36:58 PM PST by TigersEye
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To: Operation Infinite Jumble
No young man(or woman), we need you to continue the fight, you and your friends. Freedom isn't free and we have to be ever vigilant. We can't give in or give up.
74 posted on 12/13/2001 12:40:21 PM PST by cfrels
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To: Sender
I'll ask him tonight.....

NeverGore

75 posted on 12/13/2001 1:13:49 PM PST by nevergore
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To: TigersEye
I recieved this forward this morning about the McCain-Feingold "Gun Show Loophole" bill.

----- Original Message -----Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 8:35 AMSubject: CLUE mail - McCain-Feingold Gun Bill Exposed
Sorry for the heavy load today, but this is a real eye-opener!
This bill is a quantum leap towards destroying the 2nd Amendment, disarming law-abiding Americans, and instituting a federal police state! Do EVERYTHING you can to expose it for what it is and defeat it!

"Those who beat their swords into plowshares, will plow for those who still have swords..."

GUN-SHOW BILL IS NOT WHAT THEY SAY LOTS OF NEW MATERIAL UP AT:
www.gunlaws.com

Re: S. 890, The McCain-Lieberman Bill: "Gun Show Loophole Closing and Gun Law Enforcement Act of 2001."

by Alan Korwin, Author Gun Laws of America

Mass media publicity on the newly proposed gun-show bill is grossly inaccurate. The bill has almost nothing to do with what you've probably heard so far.The so-called "gun-show loophole" headlines are a minor detail and basically obscure what the bill really does. I've just finished studying the eight pages of legalese. Here is it what it calls for:

1. Unprecedented federal control over gun shows nationwide -- perfectly legal gun shows become strictly outlawed without prior federal approval, licensing and registration of each show;

2. Centralized federal licensing and registration of every gun-show promoter in the nation;

3. Centralized federal registration of every vendor -- including non-gun vendors -- at any gun show in the country. In order for me to sell my BOOKS at a gun show I'll have to pre-register and prove who I am, or face arrest; a private individual looking to sell a single gun would be treated as a vendor under this law and must be registered even if the gun isn't sold;

4. Centralized federal registration of EVERY PERSON who attends a gun show in America, whether or not they make purchases of anything at all -- you won't be allowed in without registering;

5. Centralized collection of "any other information" on gun-show attendees, as determined solely by the Secretary of the Treasury;

6. Imprisonment for attending a gun show and failing to give up any information required by regulations of the Secretary of the Treasury;

7. Imprisonment of any gun-show promoter who fails to register a single vendor;

8. Imprisonment of gun-show promoters who cannot prove they notified every person attending a gun show of the new rules, and obtained from attendees any information the Secretary of the Treasury mandates by regulation;

9. Centralized collection of "any other information" the Secretary of the Treasury decides, by regulation, is necessary on vendors, attendees, and the gun show itself;

10. Submission by gun-show promoters of vendor registration logs a) 30 days before any gun show, and b) additional submission of updated vendor registration logs 72 hours before any gun show, and c) additional submission of vendor registration logs within five days of the close of any gun show, under penalty of arrest and imprisonment for non-compliance;

11. Identification of vendors only by use of federally approved photo ID that may include use of a social security number, electronically encoded data, or "biometric identifiers" such as fingerprint, voice print, retina scan, iris scan, or similar (as defined under 18 USC 1028(d)(2));

12. Creation of a new license (in addition to a gun-show-promoter license), similar to FFLs, for individuals who want access to the NICS national background check system for facilitating gun-show sales for private citizens;

13. Regulations to be issued by the Secretary of the Treasury on the procedures, data collections, methods and implementation of the entire process to federally control gun shows, in addition to the requirements made by the proposed statute; such regulations will not be known, drafted or even suggested, until after the McCain- Lieberman law is enacted;

14. The proposed bill also puts pressure on state governments to make at least 95% of their law enforcement records for the past 30 years openly available to the federal government; and-- makes unlimited funds available for the states to comply with these federal goals;

-- requires annual federal review of states' compliance;

-- increases penalties (up to ten years imprisonment) for record- keeping violations;

-- grants states permission to make even more restrictive requirements without being out of compliance with these new federal laws (and by implication, puts states that resist these rules in federal trouble);

-- provides hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars for more law enforcement under numerous programs including project Exile and others; -- hires 200 more Federal BATF Agents;

-- provides $10 million to the National Institute for Justice to give out for research on "technologies that limit the use of a gun to the owner"; and -- provides for annual reports (in great detail) by the Attorney General to Congress on whether the Brady law is working;

15. Enlargement of the federal bureaucracy and appropriation from taxpayers of "such funds as are necessary" to license, register and monitor an estimated ten million non-criminals who attend the thousands of gun shows held annually in America; and

16. Oh yes, I almost forgot about the so-called "loophole" part the media is so excited about -- the McCain-Lieberman bill will make an honest private citizen a criminal for transferring a gun to another honest private citizen, without first registering the transfer with, and getting permission from, the federal government (represented by the FBI at its data complex in Clarksburg, West Virginia).

Transfer or possession of a firearm to or by a criminal (a "federally prohibited possessor") is completely unaffected by the McCain- Lieberman "loophole" bill, so I guess it's accurate to characterize it as a loophole bill.

To sum up: Perfectly legal gun sales -- with no victims or criminal activity of any kind -- are outlawed at gun shows by the McCain- Lieberman bill, unless the sale is pre-registered with the federal government; real crimes are totally unaffected; and your friends in the federal government take over full control of gun shows -- which have been previously free of government infringement for more than 200 years.

Please write your local news outlet and politely request a correction. Permission to circulate or use any or all of this report is granted, provided my credit and contact information is included. Alan Korwin, Author Gun Laws of America, Bloomfield Press, 4718 E. Cactus #440 . Phoenix, AZ 85032 .

76 posted on 12/13/2001 1:23:44 PM PST by TigersEye
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To: expose
What America does not need is any advice from a bunch of "no count"foreigners!We already have Carolyn McCarthy and that's McCarthyism!
77 posted on 12/13/2001 2:08:55 PM PST by INSENSITIVE GUY
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To: TigersEye
I'm holding out for one of these. I've already got the Chinese version in 7,62x39 M43, but the new Russian 5,45x39mm ammo is certainly worth a tryout, and any shortcomings when used from the shorter AK-length barrels likely don't apply to big brother.


78 posted on 12/13/2001 2:10:10 PM PST by archy
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bumps this to the banglist
79 posted on 12/13/2001 2:19:09 PM PST by ATOMIC_PUNK
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To: Operation Infinite Jumble
Well, though I'd happily go back 75 years or so even knowing that I've got the Great Depression, FDRs disctatorial abuses of the constitution and the Second World War to look forward too, I think I'll stick around for what's coming- which looks to be just as interesting. Besides, the more draconian they try to get, the greater the resulting backlash sears those who would try to control their betters. Whether you take Newton's approach that *for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction* or just the viewpoint that *turnabout is fair play* the kharma is coming, and it's about to run over their dogma.

And I'm beginning to look forward to it. I've always regretted not having the burned, blackened roadwheel from a Soviet T64 tank I'd personally killed and field-dressed hanging over the fireplace mantlepiece. But one from a white UN peacekeeper's track will do just as well. And afterward, you can keep any souveniers you pick up along the way for your personal collection....

-archy-/-

80 posted on 12/13/2001 2:19:58 PM PST by archy
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