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Karl Rove: Stayaway Christians Almost Cost Bush Election
Charisma News ^ | 12/13/01

Posted on 12/13/2001 7:50:35 AM PST by 11th Earl of Mar

STAYAWAY CHRISTIANS ALMOST COST ELECTION

Many Christians believe that prayer played a major role in sending George W. Bush to the White House, but stayaway believers came close to losing him the election, according to his chief political adviser, Karl Rove.

Rove said that one reason the 2000 election was so tight was that as many as 4 million Christian conservatives did not go to the polls, reported "The Chicago Tribune." Although the Bush campaign had expected 19 million evangelical voters to vote for their man, election returns revealed only 15 million turned out to cast ballots.

Speaking yesterday at an American Enterprise Institute seminar, Rove said the Bush campaign "probably failed to marshal support of the base as well as we should have," said the "Tribune." Rove added: "But we may also be returning to the point in America where fundamentalists and evangelicals remain true to their beliefs and think politics is corrupt and, therefore, they shouldn't participate."

Rove said that if the "process of withdrawal" went on it would be bad for the country as well as conservatives and Republicans. "It's something we have to spend a lot of time and energy on."


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2000; christianvote; karlrove; napalminthemorning; rove; wot
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To: theoldright
Why should Conservative Christians be excited about voting for this little man? He celebrates heathen holidays in our sacred White House. He makes no effort to roll back the tide of murdering the unborn. He is not actively advancing our agenda. Prayer in the schools -"wouldn't be prudent." More federal control of the shools -"a smashing idea." Bush is a LIBERAL and you folks are suckers if you don't believe it.

I'm quite pleased with Bush. The thought of what shape this country would be in if the Republicans had nomiated Talibans like Keyes or Bauder makes me sick to my stomach. Thank God the American public hasnt been dumbed down that much.

341 posted on 12/13/2001 12:27:14 PM PST by Dave S
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
3 things hurt W with the Christian voters.

1) His PAPA was a RINO.( Lots of people remember PAPA saying, read my lying lips and of course Souter )
2) He never denied the rumors about the white drug...... Lots of people didn't like his no answer. ( rumors always hurt , if they are not denied ).
3) DWI..... He should have come out and said it long before it was released by Sore team. It was not a big deal,because we all make foolish choices in our youth.
( I think it cost him atleast 1-2 million votes... many Christians said.... W is Slick 2 and stayed home)

342 posted on 12/13/2001 12:30:36 PM PST by KQQL
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To: Mercuria
Indeed. The GOP stands for "Gods Own Party". lol!

Take your time FRined with your replies. God knows I love to read them!

343 posted on 12/13/2001 12:32:11 PM PST by Scholastic
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To: ChaseR
ping
344 posted on 12/13/2001 12:35:29 PM PST by Scholastic
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To: Aristophanes
Not to mention rabid abortion supporters like Tom Ridge.

Rampant political idiocy, the appointment of Tom Ridge as Director of Homeland Security is a large net plus for the pro-life position in this country, and anyone with even a quarter of a brain knows it. As Governor of PA he could, and did, affect pro-life legislation in that state. As Director of Homeland Security, he has ABSOLUTELY NO INFLUENCE on the pro-life agenda.

345 posted on 12/13/2001 12:35:31 PM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: proud patriot
I would far rather be called that than a baby killer, a Muslim, an atheist, or a Democrat.

I don't see why, the effect you have on our society as a Talibornigan, is identical to the effect they have. Politically you are the same as 'a baby killer, a Muslim, an atheist, or a Democrat'.

346 posted on 12/13/2001 12:40:19 PM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: IanSherwood
Christian Americans, I personally urge you to support Mr. Horowitz's campaign in every way possible. Forget the politicians. Instead, speak to your neighbors. Form committees. Demand to see what is actually written in the textbooks given to our kids. Write letters demanding protection for conservative students and faculty. Show up at David's campaign stops. Finally, and most importantly, I urge you to immediately send David as much money as you possibly can to save our conservative values from extinction. And please, FReepers, DIG DEEP because this is no time for half measures.

What office is he running for or is he just trying to fill his pockets? Is this the same Horowitz at Tetrahedran Publishing that is the tin foil fool that thinks that Kissinger is the architect of AIDS and the Bushes are behind the Anthrax letters to boost sales for their favorite drug companies. May I say John Birch Society? Tin foil for sure.

347 posted on 12/13/2001 12:40:42 PM PST by Dave S
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To: John R. (Bob) Locke
If you really want to get technical on that point, scripture says that God exalts "kings" and authorities and takes down "kings" and authorities at His own chosing. I believe God gives us the government we deserve.
348 posted on 12/13/2001 12:43:40 PM PST by Agamemnon
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To: JoeSchem
Honest defeat will lead to honest victory.

We'll get a chance to see your theory put to a test. Schundler got creamed in the NJ Governor race espousing pro-life positions, tax cuts and school choice. Therefore, according to your theory, Schundler or some other true conservative Republican should be elected in 2005.

349 posted on 12/13/2001 12:44:06 PM PST by lasereye
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To: lormand
The power that you are referring to is when Republicans had everything but the White House. I am referrring to the time when Republicans had the White House, and both sides of Congress. The Republicans tried ONLY when the didn't have the White House.

Grow up. It takes 60 votes to get the bill to the floor to be voted on. There are fifty Republicans and most of those would vote for it. That left maybe fifteen Dems that needed to go along or there would be no vote. No vote, it was the Dems that did it in. Next time get off your duffs and vote Republican for Senator if you want to see something happen.

350 posted on 12/13/2001 12:44:51 PM PST by Dave S
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To: Ragin1
I simply refuse to offer blind trust to our leaders.

Actually you have done a good job here of defending your leader. Unfortunately he is still in one of his caves.

351 posted on 12/13/2001 12:45:41 PM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
Well this Christian was there and voted for him..but if the "Islam is love" ,and the mass immigration of muslims and the unrestrained visa's to them keeps going she will not the next time
352 posted on 12/13/2001 12:46:31 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: bigeasy_70118
I am not sure Republicans have done enough to defend their constituency of christian conservatives.

You can't help those who won't help themselves.

353 posted on 12/13/2001 12:48:14 PM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: Ol' Sox
Is it just me or does anyone else wonder just how the devil they know this?

Well, you see, we have this strange new process called polling, in which we go to the precincts and ask a representative sample of the voters who they voted for, as well as a number of other questions about party, race, religion, etc. Then we compare this with polls taken prior to the election, and see if there is a difference in participation by some groups, compared to that projected by statisticians earlier.

354 posted on 12/13/2001 12:53:25 PM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: Alberta's Child
Hey, I understand exactly what you are saying, but when was the last time a Republican Congressional candidate actually made abortion a major campaign issue?

If you don't like the way campaigns are being run, then go out and help run one. Congressional campaigns, even for incumbents, are run nearly entirely by unpaid volunteers. Or is it easier to sit home and bitch.

355 posted on 12/13/2001 12:57:25 PM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: theoldright
wow: "the old right", trolling on FR since 12/4/2001. Go back to DU, or whatever leftist disruptor rock you live under.
356 posted on 12/13/2001 1:09:29 PM PST by Recovering_Democrat
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To: paul544
You, so-called, Christian conservatives, are nothing but a bunch of F'd up whack jobs. You are totally ignorant and without a stitch of common sense. You people are MORONS!!!

I've been surprised throughout this thread by how much hate has been spewed by the lock-step republicans against their less partisan brethren. Calling them names won't make them more likely to vote for your candidate, and in fact will probably make them less likely. The real truth here is that the more the republican party moves to the left, the more voters they will loose on the right. Social issues matter to these conservatives and keeping them voting may mean doing something unpopular to keep them happy. Attacking this side of the party and alienating them further is the quickest way to both sides of the party loose.

Although I have always voted for republic presidential candidates, there may come a day when I won't. If the president compromises on too many issues that matter to me (nominating liberal judges, renewing the 1994 omnibus crime bill, running with a pro-abortion V.P.), he may loose my support and those like me in 2004. Most of us have a point where we would no longer vote for our political party. Karl Rove knows this, and it's the only thing keeping him from pushing the president more to left.

I care about the views my candidates take, to expect anything less is fascism.

357 posted on 12/13/2001 1:13:05 PM PST by Ronaldus Magnus
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
this is a shame if true. what were the 4million thinking: that Bush was no better than Gore?? Give me a break. The man is head and shoulders above the pervert-enabler, liar that Gore is.

We are in mighty big trouble if the conscience of our nation (imo that falls to the Christian conservatives) allows the nation to elect adulterers/rapists/abortion-on-demand/infanticidists/cradle-to-grave government health care/socialists (iow, DEMOCRATS).

Believe me, since I used to be a 'rat, I know what I'm talking about.

358 posted on 12/13/2001 1:13:10 PM PST by Recovering_Democrat
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
No, it's actually easiest to contact the candidate himself and tell him that you will provide ZERO financial support unless he toes the pro-life line.
359 posted on 12/13/2001 1:14:57 PM PST by Alberta's Child
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To: RooRoobird14
Your post #23 is exactly what I would have said in response to this. But for Karl Rove to blame the election on "stay away" Christian Conservatives - that is beyond the pale! Someone needs to sit Mr. Rove down and explain a few things to him. But I will cool the anger I felt in response to reading this - something I am sure this post was designed to evoke.

There are many Republicans - many here - who think "Christian Consrevatives" are the cause of about every ill there is - both in the country and in the Republican party.

Here is the truth of the matter:

Were it not for Christian conservatives, this country would already have gone totally to hell in a handbasket. There are days you just want to pull up stakes, turn inward, and let the country do just that - go on to the hell that is awaiting us.

But we are called to be "light" and "salt" - and either we do that or we will also be worthy of nothing more than being tossed out and trampled underfoot.

What nearly cost President Bush the election was massive voter fraud - nothing else. If the Bush team and the Republicans do not focus like a laser beam on this problem ---ending election fraud - Republicans will lose in massive numbers in 2002 and he will lose in 2004, no matter what else happens.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it, Mr. Rove. And get some people active on ending voter fraud or kiss everything about this country that matters - bye bye.

360 posted on 12/13/2001 1:16:35 PM PST by Freedom'sWorthIt
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