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Is America a Socialist Country?
Bumper Statements web site, Editor's Corner ^ | December 13, 2001 | The Editor@BumperStatements.com

Posted on 12/13/2001 7:37:16 AM PST by John SBM

Socialism is still a dirty word in American politics. But, like an obese person who looks in the mirror and see a thin reflection denying they are fat, America is in a state of denial. If we look the evidence is there, but rather than admit it we refuse to acknowledge the word. Does evasion of the fact change the reality?

Every major historic period can be categorized by the dominant philosophy of the time. We know them. The Dark Ages, The Renaissance, The Enlightenment. And we know what each label represented as the dominant, generally accepted ideas of the time. These labels are attached however, not during the period, but after, when we can see them in the context of history. Whether we label our current period as Post-Modern or whatever, in historic context it could be labeled as The Altruist Evasion.

Altruism is the dominant, generally accepted idea underlying all of our political and cultural discourse, and it permeates both political parties. The ideas that economic rights are the basic rights of all Americans, that the government exists to promote the welfare of some at the expense of others, that we owe “service” and must “give back” to society – these are the basic premises of every issue. And Pragmatism rules every action – action for the sake of the emotional benefit of action rather than the result. Altruism demands pragmatic approaches, because it is based on emotional arguments and collapses when faced with principled challenges. Altruism is the underlying support for socialism, where group rights are primary, individual rights are disposable.

Take a look. The tax code exists to transfer wealth; the total tax burden exceeds 50% and is the single biggest expense for most working Americans. Politicians gain power through the give and take of economic rights and benefits – look at the economic stimulus debate. We talk of the right to housing, to health care, to prescription drugs, to guaranteed retirement, without ever asking “at whose expense?”

Ayn Rand summarized this very simply – when you abandon one set of principles you adopt another. We have abandoned the principles of individual rights and accepted those of economic rights – the degree of socialization doesn’t change that fact. We can evade the word “Socialism”, but that doesn’t change the reality.


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To: Scruffdog
It's a way of life to Hitliary Clowntoon, Maxine Waters, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Billy Clowntoon...etc...etc...The socialist pigs are all vermin, leeches and racists. Clowntoon tried his dammdest to get to the socialist "utopia" and even sent his bitch "wife" out on a mission to start with health care. Fortunately, there are enough enemies of socialism that stopped her in her tracks. But, they will NEVER stop trying.

That's why every single one of them deserves to dance at the end of a rope. They won't give up until we're all in chains or until they're all dead.

121 posted on 12/13/2001 10:08:58 AM PST by Noumenon
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To: Carry_Okie
In her writings she never addressed the need to manage externalities of production, educate the poor, or care for the sick.

Actually, she questioned the underlying assumption that there was a "need" to do such on the part of others, and how that "need" supposedly obligated others to provide the solution.

122 posted on 12/13/2001 10:09:32 AM PST by Doctor Doom
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To: backup

Assuming you and your family were not limited by language barriers, there are dozens of other countries in which you would have a greater chance of prospering and living a full satisfying life.

Names please.

123 posted on 12/13/2001 10:13:17 AM PST by BruceS
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To: Doctor Doom
Have you ever failed in trying to live up to your Christian ideals?

Of course, the difference is that Christian ideals come from a flawless person - Jesus Christ - who spoke nothing but absolute Truth about life, God, and our relationship to God. His teachings and commands are absolutely authoritative and unassailable. The only true philosophy. Thus, there is a difference between deviation from a false philosophy and deviation from the true philosophy.

124 posted on 12/13/2001 10:14:25 AM PST by exmarine
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To: Doctor Doom
That is for each to determine when they read her ideas and judge them for themselves.

This is the definition of moral relativism. If each person defines their own truth, then there can be no true philosophy and no motive for discussion.

This is not about personal annointments.

Sure it is...if each person defines their own values as you say, it is quite personal in every way.

125 posted on 12/13/2001 10:16:58 AM PST by exmarine
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To: tberry
It troubles me more because if feeds big government, which, in my opinion, is Constitutionally given very limited powers. Those powers continue to usurp the freedoms of the people, taking them from rulers of the government and government being our servants to government ruling us and we being the servants.

Since we loan our money to the govenment, interest-free, each paycheck, and, since, really, we are at the mercy of the Federal Reserve for the rest of our money, I wonder if big government's actions since the attacks are just putting a nail or two in the coffin, so to speak. Because, if you think about it, we've been servants to the government for a very, very long time.

126 posted on 12/13/2001 10:20:39 AM PST by bloodmeridian
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To: John SBM
My own opinion is that some of the issues you cite can be handled either vis the free market rejection of a companies behavior, or via the courts. She always considered the courts to be an effective way to address grievances, at least that is my interpretation.

LOL! The takeover of the courts has been a prime avenue of the fascist left! That's what gave us all those special programs in public schools, bogus listings under the Endangered Species Act, and citation to those very unconstitutional treaties I cited. Is THAT what you want?

Sigh. Been there, did that. So, I fixed it. Really, go take a look.

127 posted on 12/13/2001 10:22:25 AM PST by Carry_Okie
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To: bloodmeridian
"we've been servants to the government for a very, very long time."

Amen Brother.

This is just the latest nail and I am concerned because the recent attacks have given the impetus to drive the nails in faster so that we won't be able to get out of the coffin when we awake from our foolish sleep.

128 posted on 12/13/2001 10:24:55 AM PST by tberry
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To: exmarine
This is the definition of moral relativism

I'm sorry - you misunderstand me.

I meant that each person must evaluate the value and validity of her writings for himself. (Just as I can't judge for you whether this wine is good and that one pedestrian.)

I made no comment about truth, absolute or other. But that, too, is for each to determine based on his or her founding premises. You base yours on the belief in the Christian faith, and I respect that. My premises lay elsewhere.

129 posted on 12/13/2001 10:26:26 AM PST by Doctor Doom
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To: x
but the final step of state or social ownership of the means of production has not been achieved.

Have you scanned a map of federal land ownership lately? Now consider the degree to which government controls the use of the rest through zoning law, codes, property taxes, farming subsidies, regulations...

We're on our way.

130 posted on 12/13/2001 10:26:47 AM PST by Carry_Okie
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To: Carry_Okie
Thanks for the link, I'll check it out. I see what you mean, but the court stacking is part of the general trend of the altruistic premises so widely accepted. If those were rejected, much of the argument used to promote the libs approach to the courts would follow.
131 posted on 12/13/2001 10:27:49 AM PST by John SBM
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To: KentuckyWoman
Not 100%, but we are certainly on the way. With the Democrats in power, say 10 years, with the Republicans, maybe 15 years before we are basically government controlled. Both groups think the solution is more central control, notwithstanding what is said by the leaders. It will take someone who is more interested in truth and freedom and liberty and individual responsibility, and less interested in getting elected. The argument that if I (we) do that I (we) will never get elected just begs the issue. If this country is to survive as originally designed, then someone is going to stand up and shout and shout and shout that freedom is the most important factor. Government should be cut in half. Education department eliminated. Welfare programs stopped. Social security dropped. The only function(s) of government ,as I see it, is(are) spelled out very well in a document we should all be more familiar with - Constitution of the United States. Pray that there is such a person who will step forward and start us BACK on the proper path of truth, freedom, liberty and individual responsibility with courage and conviction and a never ending commitment.
132 posted on 12/13/2001 10:43:15 AM PST by mulligan
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To: KentuckyWoman
...government work

LOL!!!

seriously, how did you develop your model. you have studied this quie a bit. e-mail would be fine if you like.

133 posted on 12/13/2001 10:45:11 AM PST by mlocher
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To: John SBM
. If those were rejected, much of the argument used to promote the libs approach to the courts would follow.

Rejected? Why? Altruism? Using the courts is a way to power. So why should these "charitable" foundations desist? Your argument is, in that respect, a tautology.

134 posted on 12/13/2001 10:47:59 AM PST by Carry_Okie
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To: verboten
christianity has been taken over by the socialists

can i get inside your head on this? can you elaborate? my views are 180 degrees out of synch.

thanks

135 posted on 12/13/2001 10:50:30 AM PST by mlocher
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To: Doctor Doom
Actually, she questioned the underlying assumption that there was a "need" to do such on the part of others, and how that "need" supposedly obligated others to provide the solution.

And therefore there is none when a free market in risk-management is a perfectly appropriate service and venue. She simply didn't understand the mechanics of such, that is, unless you can make the citation. I certainly didn't see it in my readings of her work, which is one of the reasons I chose not to repeat her mistake in my book.

136 posted on 12/13/2001 10:51:02 AM PST by Carry_Okie
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To: exmarine
"You can't possibly believe that the churches thought up this stuff (pro-homosexuality, feminism, etc.) on their own."

I believe that the people are perishing for lack of a vision. I believe that the leaders are not leading.

137 posted on 12/13/2001 10:51:35 AM PST by Don Myers
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To: Carry_Okie
I can't cite chapter and verse from memory, but essentially her point was that charity should remain a strictly private affair, and that one person's need does not obligate another to provide for it.

this eliminates public assistance but allows for private charity, as it should be.

As John pointed out, civil disputes would be handled in civil court (re: your pollution reference), and the terms of an employment contract would determine workplace injury dispositions.

138 posted on 12/13/2001 10:59:29 AM PST by Doctor Doom
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To: Don Myers
many christians are trying to love others and be socially correct...

i am not a spokesperson for all christians, but i can say that christians do want to love others, and many do so with christian charities. they solicit money directly from people and usually give it directly to people. low overhead, more love, so to speak.

i think most christians would abhor governments taking over their charities. i personally would like to see the government out of the charity business because i think caring people (atheists, jews, moslems, confucists, buddhists, tsaoists and christians) could all do a beter job.

the problem is not the love, it is the flawed program.

139 posted on 12/13/2001 11:00:20 AM PST by mlocher
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To: John SBM
I say we are in a Fabian Socialist period because of the increasing redistribution of wealth.

You are NOT alone! None Dare Call It Fascism

140 posted on 12/13/2001 11:04:24 AM PST by Bigun
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