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Nero was innocent of burning down Rome
Sunday Times of London ^ | 12/9/01 | DIPESH GADHER AND JACK GRIMSTON

Posted on 12/10/2001 6:16:55 AM PST by H.R. Gross

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To: wjeanw
You're probably thinking about Seutonius, a gossipy old fellow who repeated every fable extant at the time (sounds just like our own journalists now, doesn't it?) But this isn't really new news at all - lots of subsequent scholarship (cited in Michael Grant's Twelve Caesars) has pretty much exonerated Nero of direct responsibility for the fire. His actions afterward to supply food and shelter for those made homeless by the fire were those of a responsible leader. He was accused of setting the fire to clear out the tenements for construction of his Golden Palace by partisans who thought that structure excessive and wasteful - which it probably was.

who roasted Christians for pleasure... is also a bit of an exaggeration - he torched them as scapegoats for the fire when (pardon the expression) the heat on himself became uncomfortable. Even a despot had to be aware of public murmuring, and when he ignored it in later life it cost him his crown and his head. By all reports he really was an accomplished poet and singer who actually played by the rules in competition, not that he had to, since he'd have won them all anyway. "Oh, what a loss to the arts," he exclaimed just before having himself stuck with a sword - the new government wanted to have him scourged to death, the traditional penalty. These were not nice people by our standards...

21 posted on 12/10/2001 7:55:31 AM PST by Billthedrill
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To: H.R. Gross
i hate when people try to rewrite history. i was just getting comfortable with the theory that sax and violins were the cause of the downfall of civilization.
22 posted on 12/10/2001 8:09:25 AM PST by mlocher
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To: H.R. Gross
Well, now that we have established that Nero was a sweet innocent who was framed by those horrible Christians and Jews, all that's left to do is "prove" that those villainous Christians (and Jews) were also politically conservative.

Coming soon to PBS.
23 posted on 12/10/2001 8:27:30 AM PST by George W. Bush
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To: Billthedrill
who roasted Christians for pleasure... is also a bit of an exaggeration - he torched them as scapegoats for the fire when (pardon the expression) the heat on himself became uncomfortable.

Nero had them wrapped in shrouds and soaked with wax (for slow burning) and used them as human torches to illuminate his gardens. Just a little more background on your "accomplished poet and singer"...

Oh, well. The torture of Christians will always have its apologists.
24 posted on 12/10/2001 8:31:49 AM PST by George W. Bush
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To: Wm Bach
Some 200-300 of the 3,000 then living in Rome were put to the death. According to Tacitus...

Tacitus was a frustrated 'inner-circle' wannbe; as a result he had an axe to grind. For at least the last 100 years historians have known this, and so take Tactitus' writings with a healthy grain of salt.

25 posted on 12/10/2001 10:42:27 AM PST by yankeedame
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To: H.R. Gross

Aw, Shucks!


26 posted on 12/11/2001 2:54:50 AM PST by shuckmaster
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To: yankeedame
take Tactitus' writings with a healthy grain of salt

Horrors! Media bias in ancient Rome!

27 posted on 12/11/2001 3:28:48 AM PST by Fresh Wind
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To: H.R. Gross
A fine reminder that the only form of religious bigotry which is permitted in our politically correct, multicultural paradise is anti-Christian bigotry.

People are being arrested for "hate crimes" when they make politically incorrect remarks which hurt the feelings of poor, sensitive, "minorities" (soon to be the majority). However, you can express spew all the hate you want, so long as your targets are white, male, heterosexual, and Christian.

28 posted on 12/11/2001 5:48:54 AM PST by pjsmith
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To: H.R. Gross
THIS JUST IN...

Mrs. O'Leary's cow innocent...she was eating hay at the time and never kicked over the latern...
Breaking hard...

29 posted on 12/11/2001 5:56:09 AM PST by Pharmboy
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30 posted on 05/15/2006 10:21:04 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

At last, we have closure on this issue. Nero's family can rest easy now.

Speaking of media bias, Tacitus can't hold a candle to Procopius, whom I have called the "Dan Rather of the sixth century."


31 posted on 05/16/2006 2:47:14 AM PDT by Berosus ("There is no beauty like Jerusalem, no wealth like Rome, no depravity like Arabia."--the Talmud)
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To: H.R. Gross; BlueLancer

I cannot beleive that I get to be the first to suggest it was:

BUSH'S FAULT!


32 posted on 05/16/2006 2:51:14 AM PDT by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit (No one cares if the muzzies are free. It really is about their oil.)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

Hi, just in case you hadn't noticed, this is a four year old topic. :')


33 posted on 05/16/2006 8:31:39 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Berosus

Procopius was the propaganda tool of the court, but then spilled a lot of beans with his Secret History, so I guess I see what you mean.


34 posted on 05/16/2006 8:33:25 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Doctor Stochastic
Nero did rebuild much of the burned stuff. He also was a tyrant but he didn't kill anyone in the Coliseum.

Nero: "Ah did not have murderous relations with those Christians!"

35 posted on 05/16/2006 8:38:35 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (Freedom isn't free, but the men and women of the military will pay most of your share)
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To: Alberta's Child

Revisionist claptrap.

Show us the research, or just keep blowing smoke.


36 posted on 05/16/2006 8:39:56 AM PDT by Skooz (Chastity prays for me, piety sings...Modesty hides my thighs in her wings...)
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To: SunkenCiv
Seems more like a 2000 year old topic, but I get what you mean. Nevertheless, I was still the first to point out that that the burning of Rome may well have been Bush's fault. A result of a wrinkle in the space-time continuum perhaps, but nevertheless his fault.
37 posted on 05/16/2006 10:56:43 AM PDT by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit (No one cares if the muzzies are free. It really is about their oil.)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

Yeah, you're probably right. ;') Rove and Scooter probably did the grunt work though.


38 posted on 05/16/2006 11:01:21 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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apropos of nothing...

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39 posted on 05/16/2006 11:03:26 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: H.R. Gross
THE Roman emperor Nero, a byword for cruelty and excess, has been falsely blamed for burning down Rome by propagandists covering up for Christian and Jewish saboteurs, according to new research

In related news, a federal court awarded damages of $700 Billion to descendants of Nero to cover the damage caused by the false accusations against Nero.

40 posted on 05/16/2006 11:07:00 AM PDT by Cementjungle
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