Just did a study of Israeli-Palestinian conflict

Rant

[robjna]

Forgive me if I have things wrong and please correct me if my personal research has led me astray. Let me also preface this post by stating that Palestinian lunatics like Hamas need to be destroyed.

With that said, my research has led me to belive that the palestinians have been screwed throughout history. Israel, by force has seized so much land and then infringed even further into palestinian land. They ignored the U.N. recommondations and siezed vast amounts of land from Palestine. Israelis were the minority and by force , displaced weaker, huge masses of Palestinians. I have spent most of my life hating the PLO and blaming them for the huge Middle-east problem. now I beleive the Iraels are also to blame. I never really understood the issue and decided to find out. I strongly believe there needs to be distinct boundries that must be respected by both sides. I was surprised to see how many Israeli settlements were in Palestinian areas. I guess I figured out there is two sides to every story. Come on fellow freepers, educate me and tell me your beliefs.

[College Repub]

I dont care what Arafat or Hamas says. If you stick the mic in the face of the average Palestinian (and a recent MSNBC documentary did this numerous times), the biggest complaint is that in the past 14 months Israeli IDF setup checkpoints all over the place that make daily trips to and from work (most of them work inside ISrael) take longer than they should. I'm sorry, though this may be an inconveince, they were the ones that started the intifada and force IDF to check them out before they come into contact with Israeli civillians.

[KLT]

Let me make this simple;

If Jesus Christ walked as a Jew in Israel some 2001 years ago, and there were no Muslims because Mohammed wasn't even born yet....Duh, who was there first? The Jews have been there for over 5,000 years...The Christians for over 2000. Please, take your research and shove it!

[KLT]

Ping what a joke!

[pgkdan]

What history are you reading??? I suggest you throw away whateever text it is you've been misled by.

[Alouette]

Israel, by force has seized so much land and then infringed even further into palestinian land. They ignored the U.N. recommondations and siezed vast amounts of land from Palestine.

Is this what you consider "so much land" and "vast amounts of land"?

[dlt]

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[robjna]

Actually apologies for the response. In my opinion there are a lot of Arab/Islam apologists posting already here on FR often presenting themselves as unbiased Americans. I suspected you might be one such person based on your standard of English.

I am a Polish-Italian born in Wisconsin cheesehead, so save the evaluation of me BUD. I never knew there were so many intolerant freepers. I politely ask for opinions and insight and I get pompous ##holes trying to come off as intellectuals. Sorry if I didn't use my websters before I posted

[pgkdan]

. I guess I figured out there is two sides to every story

There generally are at least two sides to every story, the truth and the kind of bs you're trying to peddle.

[pgkdan]

refuse to recognize the Palestinians as a people. <p.That's because as a seperate ethnic or religious entity they don't exist...the term is too fluid. Any half maad islamic who wants to blow himself up and kill innocents in the process can call himself a palestinian. There never was a Palestine and there is no ethnicity known as palestinian.

[veronica]

You are in a minority here of people who have actually tried to learn something about the conflict. Bravo!

Of course no hint as to what he learned. No facts. No substance. Just blah blah. Kinda like you.

[Nightstalker]

You are correct that there are two sides to every issue and this one is far more complicated. Both within Isreal and the Palestian community there are conflicting groups. The Arab-Israel conflict will not be solved simply or easily.

Here is a good site that is published by an Israel Peace Group that I found informative albeit one-sided. Good luck and let us know if you find any informative sites.

[robjna]

thank you

[Alouette]

try find out the facts or ask questions.

Why don't you ever provide any credible sources when your "facts" are challenged?

[monkeyshine]

Yes, the #1 most 'discriminated against' group on FR is Arabs, and a close second is Jews. Obviously reasonable people would not advocate the annihilation of an entire people.

The Palestinians do have an innate right to live in peace, and I do believe Israel wants them to live in peace, yet at the same time they must take a certain responsibility for themselves and each other. You can only get peace when you give peace. No nation should have to put up with suicide-homicidal bombers, mortars, snipers like Israel has.

Nobody is fooled into thinking that Arafat never was a terrorist. Yet, Israel was willing to overlook it in the hopes that he would be the one who could organize and reform Palestinian society into one that would peacefully coexist with Israel. He hasn't done a good job, and is now on the brink. His own people, under Hamas, are starting to revolt against him. He blew it big time.

Putting aside the disagreements the two sides had at oslo and camp david and who is to blame and what historical injustices occured, the question is what can be done now? The first thing that has to occur is an end to the violence. Arafat has no choice but to regain control, forcefully if need be, and return to the negotiating table. Israel cannot negotiate with chaos, and cannot negotiate with someone who cannot deliver. The longer this takes, the harder it will be, and the worse off the Palestinians will be.

[N00dleN0gg1n]

They ignored the U.N. recommondations

And rightly so.

That's not to say the Israelis haven't screwed the Palestinians some, particularly in the way they favor Jewish settlers over Palestinians with regards to land and water rights in the occupied territories. But the UN has absolutely no credibility here (remember the Durban racism conference?) Also, not only has Israel screwed the Palestinians - so have their fellow Arabs! Why are these people still living in refugee camps after 50 years - is there no Arab country that can take them in? No, it's that there's no Arab country that doesn't prefer having them as a club to beat Israel with.

And they're a people who "never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity." Imagine if they'd said "yes" to the deal they were offered a year ago - how much better off would they be? Instead they're going to lose what little independence they had. When you meet someone who keeps on having bad things happen to him, sometimes it's because he's unlucky, but sometimes it's because he's a stupid @$$h01e. The latest rash of suicide bombings (bringing the next front of the War on Terrorism onto their heads, even though that's the last thing Bush wanted to do) has convinced me that the Palestinians are in the latter situation.

[UbIwerks]

Anti-Semites interestingly enough have always attacked Jews at what is perceived to be their strongest points: business, Israel; etc.

In this case, as in so many others, all the anti-Semite has to do is fling charges against the Jews (notice no specifics are offered nor any attempt to prove that it is Arab(?) land)and those charges are arrogantly taken as true by the neo Nazis.