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Who was in Israel first, the Jews or Palestinians

Posted on 12/05/2001 7:50:45 PM PST by 100American

Here are 20 conveniently overlooked facts that give some perspective to the current Middle East situation. These were compiled by a Christian university professor..... Takes just 1.5 minutes to read!!!

1. Israel became a nation in 1312 B.C.E., two thousand years before the rise of Islam.

2. Arab refugees began identifying themselves as part of a Palestinian people in 1967, two decades after the establishment of the modern State of Israel.

3. Since the Jewish conquest in 1272 B.C.E, the Jews had dominion over the land for one thousand years with a continuous presence in the land for the past 3,300 years.

4.The only Arab domination since the conquest in 635 C.E. lasted no more than 22 years.

5. For over 3,300 years, Jerusalem has been the Jewish capital. Jerusalem has never been the capital of any Arab or Muslim entity. Even when the Jordanians occupied Jerusalem, they never sought to make it their capital, and Arab leaders did not come to visit.

6. Jerusalem is mentioned over 700 hundred times in Bible. Jerusalem is not mentioned once in the Koran.

7. King David founded the city of Jerusalem. Mohammed never came to Jerusalem.

8. Jews pray facing Jerusalem. Muslims pray with their backs toward Jerusalem.

9. Arab and Jewish refugees: Arabs were not driven out of their homes. Following the UN decision on Partition in 1948, the Arab refugees were encouraged to leave Israel by Arab leaders, promising to purge the land of Jews. They argued that an "Arab presence" would only get in the way of the planned devastation. Sixty-eight percent left without ever seeing an Israeli soldier.

10. The Jewish refugees were forced to flee from Arab lands due to Arab brutality, persecution and pogroms.

11. The number of Arab refugees who left Israel in 1948 is estimated to be around 630,000. The number of Jewish refugees absorbed by Israel from Arab countries is estimated to be the same.

12. Arab refugees were INTENTIONALLY not absorbed or integrated into the Arab lands to which they fled, despite the vast Arab territory. Out of the 100,000,000 refugees since World War II, theirs is the only refugee group in the world that has never been absorbed or integrated into their own peoples'lands. Jewish refugees were completely absorbed into Israel, a country no larger than the state of New Jersey.

13. The Arabs are represented by eight separate nations, not including the Palestinians. There is only one Jewish nation. The Arab nations initiated all five wars and lost. Israel defended itself each time and won.

14. The P.L.O.'s Charter still calls for the destruction of the state of Israel. Israel has given the Palestinians most of the West Bank and autonomy under the Palestinian Authority, and has supplied their police and security forces with weapons.

15. Under Jordanian rule, Jewish holy sites were desecrated and the Jews were denied access to places of worship. Jewish grave markers were used to build public urinals in occupied Jerusalem. Under Israeli rule, all Muslim and Christian sites have been preserved and made accessible to people of all faiths.

16. The U.N. record on Israel and the Arabs of the 175 Security Council resolutions passed before 1990, 97 were directed against Israel -- notwithstanding the fact that the Arabs refused to participate in the 15 nation United Nations Commission of Palestine which recommended partition in 1948 and sought immediately to undo its work by force of arms.

17. Of the 690 General Assembly resolutions voted on before 1990, 429 were directed against Israel.

18. The U.N. was silent while 58 Jerusalem Synagogues were destroyed by the Jordanians between 1948 and 1967.

19. The U.N. was silent while the Jordanians systematically desecrated the ancient Jewish cemetery on the Mount of Olives between 1948 and 1967.

20. The U.N. was silent while the Jordanians enforced an apartheid-like policy of preventing Jews from visiting the Temple Mount and the Western Wall between 1948 and 1967.


TOPICS: Editorial; Israel; Your Opinion/Questions
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To: RLK
There is actually some recently scholarship that suggests the word Palestine actuals derives from a Greek translation of Israel. The first recorded usage of Palestine (Palaistine) came from the Greeks and is very similiar in etymology to the word palaistes (which means "to wrestle" or "adversary") In the Greek Sepuagint this word "palaistes" is used to describe the struggle between Jacob and the angel. As we know, Jacob's named was changed to Yisra'el (Israel) which means literally "to struggle with God".

We also know that the Philistines settled regions along the coast of the Mediterranean sometime around the 13th century B.C. (don't want to use B.C.E. and be accused of being a liberal!) This would put the Philistines in the area of Palestine several hundred years AFTER Abraham and Lot settled the area of what is now the West Bank (including Jerusalem).

42 posted on 12/05/2001 8:53:28 PM PST by BoomerBob
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To: KQQL
That is why the Torah is copied so meticulously to prove that it is acurate.
43 posted on 12/05/2001 8:53:51 PM PST by Nachum
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To: crystalk
There is no archaeological proof that David ever exsisted. In fact Jewish archaeologists believe he was invented to prop a family tree for some later loser king.
44 posted on 12/05/2001 8:54:08 PM PST by alphadog
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To: Buckeroo
Our sins are what sent Jesus to his death.
46 posted on 12/05/2001 8:56:11 PM PST by BoomerBob
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To: alphadog
Actually there is extrabiblical evidence of the existence of David and quite a bit for Solomon, David's son. I'll show you my evidence if you show me yours.
47 posted on 12/05/2001 8:58:02 PM PST by BoomerBob
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To: Elihu Burritt
***THE DUMBEST MOST REALITY DENYING POST OF THE DAY***

You da Man.

48 posted on 12/05/2001 9:00:58 PM PST by VaBthang4
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To: alphadog
That is not strictly true. A Moabite boundary stone refers to the regime ruling in Jerusalem c 890 BC, as the "House of David," meaning the Descendants of David, and "David" was a somewhat common given-name in use in the whole E Med area after 2500 BC right up to today...
49 posted on 12/05/2001 9:09:27 PM PST by crystalk
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Genetics prove that Jews and Palestinians are descended from common ancestors. There is very little difference between them. They should share the land in peace.
50 posted on 12/05/2001 9:09:36 PM PST by Eternal_Bear
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To: BoomerBob
archaeological evidence...I would have to dig it...yuk yuk.. I'll look for it...will get back... bed time
51 posted on 12/05/2001 9:10:44 PM PST by alphadog
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To: RLK
"The Jews were oritinally from what is now known as Iraq."

That is wholy untrue. Abraham and his family alone were from Ur in Iraq. He travelled to the region of Israel as a result of it being within the fertile cresecent and along the main route travelled from North Africa to Mesopotamia.

"They immigrated and stomped the hell out of the people then living in what was eventually known as Palistine."

Again not true.

They returned to Israel after being captive in Egypt that is when they stomped the Phillistines amongst a whole host of other peoples.

Another note about another post....Jerusalem had indeed been a city state during the time of Abraham, as he offered sacrifice to Melchisedek(sp?) the King of Salem which encompassed modern day Jerusalem as well as the surrounding mountains.

-but-

King david did found the city of David and make it his capital...basically founding what is today Jerusalem.

52 posted on 12/05/2001 9:11:37 PM PST by VaBthang4
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To: alphadog
Er, I beg to differ:

David found at Dan Biblical Archeology Review March/April 1994.

The Biblical Minimalists: Expunging Israel's Past Bible Review June 1997.

Toward the end of the article is an exhaustive debunking of Whitelam's The Invention of Ancient Israel: The Silencing of Palestinian History. In the final paragraph he says:

"These issues should not be decided by politically driven scholarship. Whether or not debates over Israel's ancient history have any effect on Israeli-Palestinian relations, the biblical minimalists are guilty precisely of what they accuse mainstream biblical historians of doing: using scholarship as the handmaiden of politics."


53 posted on 12/05/2001 9:14:44 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: blam
Couldn't have been Rameses II, this much later period is so well known and documented, further it is a golden age of Egypt, of strength rather than decline.

Secondly, among hundreds of little factoids, it was in the early 18th dynasty and only then, that the princes and nobles were given names ending in -moshe, meaning "born of"--thus Thutmose means, born of Thoth...

The later Israelite redactor, feigning ignorance unless he was actually ignorant, has Moses' Hebrew mother make a farfetched Hebrew folk etymology relating to "drawn forth, drawn out of" but that itself is very likely a Hebrew word whose basis is the Egyptian word for born, birth of a child...The Hebrew writer does not know, and/or does not want to tell US, what theophoric first name Moses really HAD, what Egyptian God he was supposedly "born of" IYSWIM.

In any event once Tut III was succeeded by the ineffectual Amenhotep II, this was Moses great chance: YHWH recalls him from the wilderness at age 80, tells him that the death warrant against him had expired with the king issuing it, and the fit hits the shan.

54 posted on 12/05/2001 9:18:27 PM PST by crystalk
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To: alphadog
"There is no archaeological proof that David ever exsisted."

Dude....that was way weak. Almost doesnt require a response but I have to bust you out.

The entire City of David inside of Jerusalem alone is Archeological proof that there was a King David.

By your simpleton standard there is no Acheological proof that Ghengis Kahn existed.
There is no Acheological proof that Kublai Khan existed.
There is no Acheological proof that Hitler existed.
There is no Acheological proof that Kennedy's brain existed.

56 posted on 12/05/2001 9:20:09 PM PST by VaBthang4
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To: Old Hickory
Who is John Galt?
57 posted on 12/05/2001 9:20:15 PM PST by Optimist
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To: Eternal_Bear
Bull and humbug. Betcha my ancestry, and maybe yours too, is closer DNA wise to the average Ashkenazi Jew, than the average Pallie is!
59 posted on 12/05/2001 9:22:02 PM PST by crystalk
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To: alphadog
I'd save your effort alphadog, Alamo girl has cited much of the evidence that I was referring to already (but if you would like to follow up on her refrences I might also cite: BAR, March/April 2000, pp. 38-51, an excellent article by those Jewish archaelogists that you mentioned). Sleep Well!
60 posted on 12/05/2001 9:22:07 PM PST by BoomerBob
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