Who was in Israel first, the Jews or Palestinians

[100American]

Comments, additions, corrections ??

I think it dishonest for the Palestinians to claim Israel as their homeland based upon this info. Please fellow freepers, tell me where this info is wrong. If not, then Israel has a right to defend herself using whatever means posible

[KQQL]

Which came first , the chicken or the egg?

[crystalk]

I don't know what event you may be using to say when Israel became a nation, but that event surely was earlier than 1312 BCE.

Current scholarship among those who accept that there was a Moses and an Exodus, places the event in the mid-fifteenth century, and remember the Passover and the Lawgiving occurred only some 50 days apart in the same calendar year...

The correct date is thus 1461 to 1441 BCE, and my bet is toward the latter end of that, say 1444, that has a certain ring to it, all those 4's...

[onyx]

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[x]

THE SEVEN RULES OF NATIONALISM.

1. If an area was ours for 500 years and yours for 50 years, it should belong to us -- you are merely occupiers.

2. If an area was yours for 500 years and ours for 50 years, it should belong to us -- borders must not be changed.

3. If an area belonged to us 500 years ago but never since then, it should belong to us -- it is the Cradle of our Nation.

4. If a majority of our people live there, it must belong to us -- they must enjoy the right of self-determination.

5. If a minority of our people live there, it must belong to us -- they must be protected against your oppression.

6. All the above rules apply to us but not to you.

7. Our dream of greatness is Historical Necessity, yours is Fascism.

[KQQL]

palestinians are people who where kicked out of Jordan and Saudi.

Israel should kick out all arabs out of west bank and gaza and secure it's border.................

[Elihu Burritt]

Which came first , the chicken or the egg?

So true. There are essentially no important difference between Palestinians and Jews. They are the same people. It's just that some are in different stages of hysteric denial.

[Exigence]

Bump

[Alouette]

Bump.

You didn't give the source for this list. It's at

CONCORD MONITOR

[KQQL]

lol...........

[drstevej]

21. Isaac was the son of promise not Ishmael. Therefore, the land promised by God to Abraham falls to the descendents of Isaac. His descendants will ulimately inherit all of the land promised, not just the small part that is the seat of centention today.

[crystalk]

Most of the people now calling themselves Palestinian are Egyptian. That includes Yasser Arafat, and most of the others, esp if surname ends in -awi.

Jordan, Arabia, and Lebanon together are perhaps 25%, if one looks at where their ancestors lived in 1850.

Egypt would be about 60%. Perhaps 15% lived in what is now Israel in 1850.

PS Arafat is a pseudonym of course: it is the holy mountain outside Mecca where Satan appeared to Muhammad some 615 AD.

[crystalk]

Arab conquest of Jerusalem and Israel took place 638 AD, not 635. One sometimes sees 640, because the Muslim armies withdrew for a time fearing approach of Byzantine navy and/or Iranian armies...

[so_real]

Goodness! That's a lot of information I did not know before. Israel never ceases to fill me with amazement. I hope in the future this country of ours becomes more and more of a brother nation to Israel.

[KQQL]

According to Islam ( koran )Ismael is the the son of promise etc not Issac, that's where the problem between Jews and Muslims.

That's why there will be no peace in the middle east, till the the anti-christ shows up.......

[TAP ONLINE]

The Rooster Came first, then the Chicken layed the Egg

[ZOOKER]

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[crystalk]

Your item 7. David did not FOUND Jerusalem: it was a minor city-state of varying significance for well over a thousand years before David conquered it in 996 BC. Some say a few years earlier than that.

Your item 11. You say 630,000 "Palestinians" fled in 1948 from Israel, and seemingly you are saying never returned. First of all, the term Palestinian was never then used for Arabs, who were just called Arabs. It meant the Jews living there if it meant anyone. Secondly, the 630M is the estimate of the total number of Arabs then living in 1948 in what became Israel, not the number who fled, much less the number who stayed away and never came back. The true number is more like 200 to 300 thousand, tops...

[RLK]

The Jews were oritinally from what is now known as Iraq. The immigrated and stomped the hell out of the people then living in what was eventually known as Palistine. Palistine is the modern pronunciation of Philistine, whose murder and displacement by the Jews we celebrate as the intent of God. A few people at the time and since doubt and dispute that that was God's word and intent. That doubt and dispute has been the ultimate reason for wars over that land since then.

The Jews immigrated, conquered, and stole that land fair and square. If they are strong enough, they can keep it. If other people are strong enough to take it back, the Israelis will lose it.

[crystalk]

Bull. There is very substantial ethnic, to say nothing of religious, difference between the so called Pallies, who really are Egyptian Arabs, and the Jews.