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Men Must Champion Feminine Women
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| December 5, 2001
| Henry Makow Ph.D.
Posted on 12/05/2001 7:22:16 AM PST by Starmaker
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To: Starmaker
we are really seeking our own lost masculinity All together now: In the immortal words of Tonto....
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posted on
12/05/2001 9:01:02 AM PST
by
steve-b
To: connectthedots
I'm not saying all women should save their virginity until marriage but certainly sex should be reserved for honest, loving relationships. This author may not say it, but I will. Same goes for men, too.
Priceless! LOL! Some fornication gets a pass?
To: Starmaker
Thanks for posting this. I wish I had known this basic truth when I was growing up, rather than discovering it in my 50s. I feel as if I have wasted a great deal of time. I could and should have done a much better job of being a wife, a mother and a daughter. But learning late is better than not learning at all.
Carolyn
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posted on
12/05/2001 9:06:19 AM PST
by
CDHart
Comment #44 Removed by Moderator
To: Starmaker
Those who say women who choose a career have their priorities mixed up have the concept of freedom a little mixed up. A priority is just that: something the person gets to choose for herself.
To: OneidaM
At last! I was beginning to think I was from space! I have taken more ridicule for not working outside the home from people I thought were my friends. I have worked as a waitress, leasing agent and mail delivery contractor over the years. Most precious job to me is believing in my husband and supporting him in the ways I can. I think society puts too much emphasis on what kind of work you do telling the world what your value is as a person! Seeing my husband when he comes through the door after a long day's work, is heaven to me on earth! Spending what time we can together is my favorite thing. If this makes me shallow in the eyes of some, sorry, I am richer in life than the financially well to do empty folk! You know, when they say, be careful what you ask for... I got it and cherish every day! Thanks for post, I feel it's time to get this out to some who might be confused abot the part they fill in this life.
To: Starmaker
bttt
To: Starmaker
Beautiful article. There is a such a sweet spiritual essence and sense of profound fulfillment in the living out of the traditional, God-given roles of men and women. We need each other more than we know.
To: firebrand
So true. The biggest problem I see, though, is that there isn't a balance to the information that is out there for women to make the decision that will make them happy. Stay-at-home moms are seen as concubines with no freedom at all in modern culture. Settling down and caring for children is passe for (some) educated women. Plus there's the oppressive tax rates in this country. Take-home pay is gutted, which force most wives to work, whether they want to or not. And recent surveys show that there are a lot of wives out there who want to stay home and take better care of their children.
To: Starmaker
Yeah, I'll agree with this greatest load of codswallop when I have a `loving' husband, who will pay for my `femininity'. Allow me to stay at home to rear the children. Keep me in the manner in which I'm accustomed.
In the meantime, I'll keep plodding along at the career I've worked hard at for the last 11 years. And use the college education that my ultra-conservative loving and feminine mother worked three jobs to give me.
Having an independent mind, an independent life, DOES NOT turn women into trolls for crying out loud!
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posted on
12/05/2001 9:20:08 AM PST
by
Happygal
To: Sabertooth
Feminism is no longer about equal opportunity for women. It is a thuggish, devious synthesis of Marxism and lesbianism used by ruling elites to undermine individuals and weaken society. It is to society what AIDS is to the body. We [men] have pursued the busy, neurotic, overachievers who guarantee us heartbreak, divorce and broken family.
A feminine woman has grace, beauty and wisdom. These all come from staying in touch with her spirit and not pursuing an exhausting career that requires masculine qualities.
Wow! I love it! Thanks Saber. Bookmarked.
To: Starmaker
"It's time we embraced the quiet, unassuming beautiful women who want to be our soul mates."OK,OK. Do you know if and where there are any? (We're pretty cynical and disgusted)
To: Starmaker; Sabertooth
``A feminine woman has grace, beauty and wisdom. These all come from staying in touch with her spirit and not pursuing an exhausting career that requires masculine qualities. On the "Oprah" Show, I saw three young women interviewed about the "quarter-life" crisis. They were having trouble getting their careers on track and because of their families' expectations they were falling apart. Oprah urged these girls to "follow their instincts." No one mentioned that for women in their early twenties, "following their instincts" might entail having a baby. P.S. Oprah SUCKS!
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posted on
12/05/2001 9:27:03 AM PST
by
Happygal
To: independentmind
"...I do get the feeling that Makow likes submissive, docile women."I think there's some truth to that, but I also think there's more here. While he considers a "feminine" woman to be "quiet," "reserved" and "unassuming," he also expects her to be "competent" and "self-sufficient" and to participate in decision-making. He specifically denies that femininity means being an "emotional waif." He deserves credit for this, as well as for his admission that he made a mistake when he married a teenager 30 years his junior.
You may believe that his outlook is not a suitable one to present to female college students, but is it any less suitable than the militant feminist view that is crammed down their throats?
To: Starmaker
I seriously tried to read this as though I were a woman. I know it's really not possible, but I tried. While doing this, I started out agreeing with everything (from the viewpoint of a woman). But as I got further into the article, I felt like the blame was being piled upon me unfairly. As soon as I found myself feeling this way, I would try to remember the earlier part that said ...
By pursuing these women, we are really seeking our own lost masculinity. Many of us are happy to evade the responsibility of earning a living, and taking charge of a family. In either case we are condemning ourselves to frustration and arrested development.
That would make me feel better, and allow me (as a woman) to better accept what the writer was trying to convey to the reader. Maybe he should have kept repeating the man's culpability throughout the essay. That would have allowed me to just keep on reading without that feeling of complete responsibility for the whole mess between the sexes. But, all in all it was a true description of the way things are today. The writer could even have gone farther and stated how the loss of the feminine woman has contributed to the increase in crime, and the failures of our educational system.
But I may be completely wrong, I'll have to wait for my wife to come home from work to tell me.
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posted on
12/05/2001 9:28:40 AM PST
by
Gumption
To: Starmaker
Finally, the TRUTH in print. Who doesn't understand this, won't by simply being told.
The word "docile" does not come into it. This is the added spin, referred to in the article. There is NOTHING "docile" about being a full-time home and family-maker, and active, inspiring and involved wife of a "real" man. Real men know, value, appreciate and recognize "real" women as being the indespensible factor in their own success, and development. This is not something one realizes through logic. It must be discovered through experience, and honesty.
I also know several "real" women who realized their own, great potential through being married to "real" men, FATHERS, raising their children, running family businesses along with their husbands, and acquiring advanced degrees...mostly in that order. The greatest "real women" work hard all the time, as do men, but don't consider their domestic/family role anything remotely second-class or inferior to their hard-working man's activities, which they both do for eachother. The Bible speaks of the finest woman being the one who doesn't withold her hands from working day and night, and is more valuable for a man to find and have in his life than gold...the goal of his job anyway. I imagine that this book is in as much disfavor in present-day classrooms as the concepts in the article. Somehow, I don't see the great benefits of current educational philosophy, with so many families broken up, drugs in homes and at school, and children murdering eachother in classrooms these "enlightened" days. A connection? You bet.
Comment #57 Removed by Moderator
To: Starmaker
Come on girls, all together now, "Save Me" by Amiee Mann.
You look like
a perfect fit
For a girl in need
of a tourniquet
But can you save me
Come on and save me
If you could save me
From the ranks
of the freaks
who suspect
They could never love anyone
Cause I can tell
You know what it's like
The long farewell
of the hunger strike
But can you save me
Come on and save me
If you could save me
From the ranks
of the freaks
Who suspect
They could never love anyone
You struck me dumb
like radium
Like Peter Pan
Or Superman
You will come
To save me
Why don't you
save me
Come on and save me
From the ranks
of the freaks
who suspect
They could never love anyone
To: GenXFreedomFighter
Our culture is awash in the attitude that sex is as necessary as a bowel movement, and just about as romantic. Women who are putting themselves at risk of pregnancy and/or disease should be more discriminating about with whom they sleep. You forgot the hurl alert. It's lunchtime here in the Central time zone.
Let me just say that in this sex-crazed society, I seem to have experienced a lot of "irregularity" compared to most people ... if you can believe most people.
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posted on
12/05/2001 9:31:35 AM PST
by
longleaf
To: Starmaker
Your comments are a needed corrective to the "unisex", or worse, "anti-patriarchal" feminist cant. But I would argue, while men and women have different tendencies based on nature and culture, on any trait each sex exhibits a wide spectrum (a bell curve) of characteristics. For example, some of us get the "athletic gene" to a greater or lessor extent. Same for intelligence, beauty, wit, etc. We should encourage each individual to pursue their gifts as they choose. We should also impart the wisdom that, for most, a loving family life is the best environment for that pursuit.
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posted on
12/05/2001 9:35:03 AM PST
by
Faraday
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