VANITY - Israeli-Palestinian Conflict, what solution would YOU propose?

Just Me

[Republican Party Reptile]

I'm asking the question looking for replies and discourse that (hopefully) can raise above suggesting wiping one side or the other off the face of the earth, locking people up in a police state, or expelling either side from the land they occupy today (where would they go? and how would that really solve the problem other then pushing the problem somewhere else?).

What do you think is a viable long term solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and how would one go about making it happen?

As someone who is not of Judeo-Christian-Islamist cultural/religion background, I don't have an religious or idealogical dog in the fight. I have heard and read about the grievences and claims and counter-claims from both sides, while I sympathize, I'll admit that the grievences are not personal to me. I have spent a lot of time in both Israel and Arab nations due to work. I got along and liked the people I came in contact with in Israel and in the Arab states. I think the state of Israel has a right to a secured and peaceful existence, and I think the same for a Palestinian state. But I don't profess to have any idea how this can be realistically accomplished.

[wildbill]

The CIA should place hives of African "Killer" Bees all around Israel and the Palestinian areas. Anyone who gets out of line and too loud would disturb the bees and pay the price.

It's hard to work up a killing rage when you have to whisper "Kill the infidel dogs" or "Never Again."

[College Repub]

I don't care what you think of Jews, or Israel. If you are an american, you have an interest in seeing Terrorism and Arafat's thugs rooted out. Seriously, the Palestinians would be better off having Arafat taken out and some liberal Jewish left wing Israeli' being appointed their representitive...

[Fred25]

Well, I think it’s fairly obvious that most of the Palestinians who don’t leave the country are rather primitive.

[College Repub]

Why do you suppose they don't leave towards an area that might be more friendly to them. Could it be that living "under occupation" in Israel enables them to have a higher standard of living than if they moved to a surrounding country? Egypt, Jordan and Syria don't care too much for the Palestinians...

[Torie]

the Palestinians would be better off having Arafat taken out and some liberal Jewish left wing Israeli' being appointed their representitive...

Yep. In fact having almost anyone other than themselves (or Saddam or Bin Laden or the Taliban) represent them would probably be in their interests given the track record. But although it may come as a shock to you, not, objective reality and subjective opinions are not always co-extensive.

[Fred25]

Could it be that living "under occupation" in Israel enables them to have a higher standard of living than if they moved to a surrounding country?

No, but that’s a pretty good propaganda talking point.

[College Repub]

Oh come on now Fred. Then what's stoping them from moving?? And the answer to my question is, YES.

[Fred25]

Oh, you’re just calling me a bunch of names, ‘cause I caught you red handed. Tell me the truth, do you think the Israelis would ever let enough Arabs become citizens, so that they would outnumber the Jews and could vote to rename the country “Palestine” and take control of it?

Look, I know some of us Gentiles are stoopid, but we ain’t that stoopid.

[Alouette]

the Israelis are interested only in a racially pure society

Yeah, the HUMAN race.

[Fred25]

Look, the smart ones do move. They’re all over the world. We’ve got lots of them here in the US. I’ve met and interviewed some of them. The smart business ones have spread out around the world to open businesses, to get away from the violence. The more rural and less educated ones are still in Palestine. They don’t know what to do. They don’t understand the modern concept of “public relations”. All they can think to do is blow a few people up every now and then. That’s a stupid thing to do, but all the smart ones leave Palestine and go into business somewhere else.

What Israel is trying to do is eugenicize the stupid ones out of existence, and eugenics is not good. Now some of the Arabs want to eugenicize Americans out of existence. The Palestine situation has become so serious, it has been so mishandled, that millions of Americans are now in jeopardy. I don’t recall Arabs wanting to blow up America before Israel took over 3/4 of Palestine.

[Torie]

I am not sure where you caught me red handed. But whatever. I do make mistakes, but I don't think so in ever conversing with you. Yep, Israel is concerned about demographics. That is why they pushed for Russian Jewish emigration to Israel, and that is why they will never allow for a right of return. They simply aren't into the suicide thing right now. Would Israel if Arabs living in Israel someday became a majority bag its democracy? Who knows? It won't happen in our lifetime. But if they did, the country would be on the way out anyway, since that policy would not be sustainable. I hope that helps.

Btw, this gentile is under the apprehension that he is not stupid, but that some other gentiles are, or at least subject to their own rather ugly prejudices. I really don't think that your comment was particular constructive in any event. It implies that you think Jews think most gentiles are stupid. While some might think that, if they do, then they are stupid.

[ladyinred]

Sorry, but if those are your rules, then there is no option. Arafat and his regime have no intention of sharing the land with Israel, and that should be very clear to anyone by now.
There are many Arab countries in the middle east, and they could go to almost any of them and be happy, if it were not for their hatred of Israel.
They don't want peace with Israel, they want to drive Israel into the sea.
Arafat STILL says this to his people, and then lies to the West.

[Sabramerican]

There are many flaws.

The Arabs would not disavow violence and their ultimate aims. It could confederate with a contagious Iraq and be very threatening. Others.

What were you thinking?

My bottom line is that I see any solution- if one was ever possible- as starting at Jordan is the "Palestinian" homeland and Israel conceding the Arab population centers on the West Bank.

[Torie]

The flaw that I see is that Jordon would not want to assume responsibility for the folks on the West Bank under any circumstances. The country was smart enough to hand that problem over to the Israelis, and it certainly doesn't want the problem back. Granted, if the Hassemite (sp) regime falls, and the Palestinians assume power in Jordan, things might be different. That used to way back when in my salad days be a popular policy wish in Israel. I suspect Israel knows better now. But it may happen anyway. If it does, that is probably NOT a good thing, but who knows?

[Sabramerican]

really live in such deplorable conditions

You simply had to watch TV the last couple of days to see the lie. A panoramic scan of the "Palestinian" cities that Israel attacked shows modern cities. In 1967, they could not even be classified as pit stops. Whole Arab cities developed during the "brutal Israeli occupation". Every terrorist Israel kills has a car and a cell phone.

I should have grown up in such deplorable conditions.

[College Repub]

That logic is flawed. Because before Israel "took over 3/4 of Palestine" (although that's not really what happend), no arab nation-states had the means to attack the USA or support people who would

[Sabramerican]

Granted, if the Hassemite (sp) regime falls, and the Palestinians assume power

That is the underpining of my plan. The Hashemite Kingdom has no place there. A democracy, a vote of people, 80% calling themselves Palestinians would make the place a Palestinian State. If they want to keep the Hashemites as figureheads, it's up to them.

Israel is making a terrible mistake supporting the Hashemites.

[Sabramerican]

Didn't see it.

[Liberty's Pen]

A good start would be for the Israelis to comply with Geneva Convention rules and allow the civilians that were driven from their homes in 1948 and 1967 to return.

I fail to see how a 137 year old international agreement (Geneva Convention) for treatment of prisoners, sick and wounded, would apply.

As to the poor Palestinians "driven from their homes in 1948 and 1967...":

On May 14, 1948, Egypt, Syria, Iraq, Jordan and Saudi Arabia launched and unprovoked attack upon Israil with the intent to murder every Jew in the land. And because the Jews soundly thumped their collective asses, instead of submitting to a bullet in the head, you want to give them (Egypt, Syria, Iraq, Jordan and Saudi Arabia) a refund because they missed?

In May, 1967, Egypt and Syria both mobilized their troops, ran UN peacekeepers out of Sinai, closed down the Gulf of Aqaba to Israeli shipping, and headed for Israel. Unlike you, Israel did not begin preparing for a 'tea-party'. They attacked Syria and Egypt on June 5, crushing them in what has since come to be known as the "six-day war".

On the last day of the war, Jordan threw in with Egypt and Syria and attacked Israel.

Again, thorough ass thumping. And, again, you think Israel should give back what they won and 'play nice'?

Unlike some sheltered, historically stunted babies, the Jews were FORCED to 'play for keeps', i.e., fight, or die. They did. They won. And you call them thieves?

Perhaps it's just oxygen deprivation. Loosen the towel around your head and say 'good night' to Mrs. Arafat.

[Torie]

I think I disagree with you in letting that genie out of the bottle, and anyway, the royal family there speak such beautiful English, and seem like decent chaps by and large. The US certainly won't support that policy. But you may get your wish, and it won't be by the ballot. If so, your ideas can be tested, and unlike Fred's hypo, that might well happen while we both are still sentient.