Posted on 12/04/2001 3:22:18 PM PST by Republican Party Reptile
I'm asking the question looking for replies and discourse that (hopefully) can raise above suggesting wiping one side or the other off the face of the earth, locking people up in a police state, or expelling either side from the land they occupy today (where would they go? and how would that really solve the problem other then pushing the problem somewhere else?).
What do you think is a viable long term solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and how would one go about making it happen?
As someone who is not of Judeo-Christian-Islamist cultural/religion background, I don't have an religious or idealogical dog in the fight. I have heard and read about the grievences and claims and counter-claims from both sides, while I sympathize, I'll admit that the grievences are not personal to me. I have spent a lot of time in both Israel and Arab nations due to work. I got along and liked the people I came in contact with in Israel and in the Arab states. I think the state of Israel has a right to a secured and peaceful existence, and I think the same for a Palestinian state. But I don't profess to have any idea how this can be realistically accomplished.
I leave it to you to decide how likely that change is!
Tell all the Arab countries to leave Israel alone or else.
Reprogram a few missles, send the targeting data to said Arab countries.
Remind them of our love for a consistent supply of oil at market prices.
Book that next vacation in Haifa.
I’ve got that map too......
I'll save you the money. I have been there 4 times. The people are nice enough, true. But the Palestinians in Israel live in deplorable conditions, deprived of the basic rights we Americans believe to be "inalienable" (i.e., all humans are born with). Do Palestinians have the right to vote? To own property? Until they do, then the Israeli government is no better than the former South African government. They are practicing a form of apartheid.
In the U.S. we aspire to be a color-blind society. Being Christian, or white, or whatever is no requirement to participate. In Israel, being Jewish is a necessary condition to participate in their "democracy," even for people born there. Why should we taxpayers support such a system? It is anathema to all that we stand for.
Some argue that granting rights to the Palestinians would destroy Israel. Maybe so. I have stood by and watched as my native state of California was overrun by liberal minorities with whom I vehemently disagree. But I never once advocated taking voting rights or property rights away from legitimate citizens. It's the price we pay to live in a relatively harmonious pluralistic society. But Israel is uninterested in pluralism. At best, they might support "separate but equal" which we long ago dismissed as overtly racist.
As I have said, I could care less if the Israelis ethnically cleanse the Palestinians. I just don't want my tax money forcibly extracted from me to finance it.
Link didn't work, but it's OK, we've both seen it. The Arabs wouldn't accept it. Fought a war, lost a war, and yes, in 49 it looked different than 47 (which I assume is what you posted). Different again in 67. Kind of like the American SW, our nation vs Mexico. (By the way, we don't agree on much, you once called my grandparents thieves. But I saw your post about the letter to NM. That stunk. I'll still come visit, it's one of my favorite states)
You seem to be confused. Or worse
Arabs in Israel don't vote? Don't have a single right that a Jew has?
Just realized what I wrote. 18 instead of 19, it is US/Mexico, not Israel/Jordan. Wonder if that means something.
If they live in the Palestinian area, they don't. But if they live in the regular part of Israel, they do have these rights. There are even Arab members of the Knesset (the Israeli parliment). Arabs in Israel have the right to vote and they all have the right to own property.
You must have been on the wrong plane. Are you sure you weren't in Epcot? Or maybe the PA, they don't vote there any more (once was enough). Or Saudi Arabia, I could go on and on. But they do vote in Israel.
How can someone write that Arabs in Israel can't vote or own property and expect to be taken seriously? Do you think those here reading are the "Arab Street"?
Not exactly true. They got to vote once, in 95(? but within a year). Yasser won. No need to vote any more.
In Uganda.
I was thinking Berkeley or Hollywood myself.
By the way, we don't agree on much, you once called my grandparents thieves
LOL! Oh, I did not. I don’t even know your grandparents. Are you trying to claim that I specifically said, “SJackson, your grandparents are thieves”? If they are, how would I know that? I don’t even know their names.
I don’t recall ever calling anyone’s grandparents “thieves”. I think I was talking about some thieves that I know out here, and you spoke up and said your grandparents were related to them, or something like that.
You know, there is a type of person in this country who really enjoys being insulted. This allows him to lecture other people with “righteous indignation” speeches. And if someone says something that doesn’t quite insult him enough or directly, he will “stretch” what that person said and twist it so that it appears to be insulting to him personally. That allows him to chew the person out in a “righteous indignation” manner, and not feel guilty about being rude.
But that wasn't enough for the Islamic terrorists (palestinians), they wanted to wipe out the Jews forever. - So they just kept on doing what they had done for the last 4500 years:
The descendents of Esau kept trying to take the land that their patriarchal ancestor traded to Jacob for a warm meal.
Neither side disputes much of the above; they just look at the picture through different colored glasses.
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